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The Dialogues of Alfred North Whitehead
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Speaker 0 (0s): You went out,
Speaker 1 (17s): They haven't talked to you for awhile. You're doing well. You could get a haircut. It looks good. I like it. What else was going on having a good day? Good evening. You enjoying a glass of red wine in a beautiful sunset. Talking about your family while you're doing something with you to guard as the thoughts that have attempted enter your conscious time for one, having a great day.
Thanks for asking for things. We're thinking about the topic of drinking. I have been reading a book called The Dialogues of Alfred North Whitehead do you ever get a chance to pick up anything by Alfred North Whitehead I would highly suggest you do it. And that is what this podcast is going to be about. It's important to note that the majority of this book takes place from 1840, tonight at 40, it goes into it a little bit of history in, and it gets into mr.
Alfred, North Whitehead slides. We'll be going through some of his ideas, some of his thoughts and mind you, this is a book, not particularly about anything in particular. It is a sad day. She was a Dialogues at, he had with a lot of different reporters. And so that any further waiting on your part, let's dig in here. I'm just going to go from time to time.
Some things that I've highlighted to get my thoughts of course allow when you talk about it, what it means to be nice to have made friends, do you have a domesticated one? So we have no black looks or angry words for our neighbors.
It's a few enjoys himself on his own way to the whole earth subculture, a famous man, and their story is not a grave and only on stone over their native earth, butterflies on far away without a visible symbol woven into the stuff of other men's lives, pretty feet, right? So we're just going to go through and check out a few more quotes and we get to some that kind of jump in and tell you what I had to think about the American newspapers give a totally wrong impression for the 10 month.
One comes to read their small man. He finds that they are written by very sensible pieces and in their space a lot, they are much more fair to political opponents than
Speaker 2 (3m 36s): English one.
Speaker 1 (3m 39s): Clearly this was written on the creative art. They ran out well, not very imagine the Americans, students that are less well-informed of more eager to learn English are less eager,
Speaker 2 (4m 10s): Have a more informed. The American boy knows less about what interests him more. The English boy knows more about what seems to interest him less. Interesting. I always find it fascinating to learn about different cultures and not just by reading a book, but hearing about the perspective
Speaker 1 (4m 42s): I have other culture for people's point of view. I think the English vs the American culture as fascinating to hear and learn about, especially from a gentleman like Alfred North Whitehead who was prior to coming to America, I would say a part of not the aristocracy, but higher middle class. If you get an idea of the gentleman, what it was like when he moved over here. So it's a fascinating book. If you guys get an opportunity, I'm going to try to stoke your curiosity by getting into some other stuff that you talked about here.
All right. Ages of upheaval, favorable to creation. I fancy they are, if not to prolong to violent, I think that out of great chaos Can come great creation. And in fact, only out of chaos can come without chaos without the tearing down for the great eight.
Is it a, how would you describe, like if you think about things right now, you could make the case that chaos is moving in on our society. Thunder storm clouds gathering, getting ready to fall down on, but we need that. You have to wonder sometimes, you know, as chaotic as it is right now, that can be done except to face the chaos and while its easy to lay blame for saved by it and whatever you want to throw out there it's seems to me that is unavoidable and that there is, there is no solution.
There's just these periods of violent upheaval where we as a species needs to not only face, but become the catalyst on that. We must destroy some of the old ideas so that we could have a new one could argue that things were so well for so long to maintain that I was thinking of a good way to look at our environment right now.
Let me give you an example. I was out of my garden and I didn't have a big garden that I like. It was really beautiful. And I had these 14 years in there. If anyone has gardenias or has ever sold, the idea is just a lovely smell, I guess, like to explain it to me. However, let me imagine a little bit of salt.
Imagine that the next week
Speaker 3 (8m 18s): And Roma have a warm vanilla and that's kind of like how the Gardenia smell And you could begin to smell the Gardenia as it begins to bloom in the life cycle of it is maybe a week. And so you'll see the bud and then it opens up Whoo
Speaker 1 (8m 38s): Beautiful flowers,
Speaker 3 (8m 41s): A white flower looks like a pure white wedding dress
Speaker 1 (8m 47s): And it has this unbelievable But for the sunlight. Then on day four, you could begin to notice with the flowers. You need to have the Brown a little bit fragrances while still notice is nowhere near as the portal becomes a little bit more Brown, day six, it begins the wilting continues
Speaker 3 (9m 27s): And it's all kind of shriveled up
Speaker 1 (9m 28s): And in about a week at fault. Now there are things you can do. You could cut that flower, often, put it in a jar and use some attitudes to keep the flower alive longer. But at that point in time, you cut it off the tree. And I think that metaphor of the garden giving way to the flower beauty, and it's a real flowering and in all its glory and then we'll do it.
That's the cycle. Not only have a flower but of our life in our society. And I would argue that
Speaker 3 (10m 18s): It kind of where our society is right now. I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10m 21s): And it would be the editor's of the guardian you have in Browning for a while in the chaos of the street is the symptom of DK society and its sad to see it also really beautiful. If you could just
Speaker 3 (10m 49s): Step back and look at our society at that level,
Speaker 1 (10m 53s): Our society, it's like the most brilliant flour flowering at the time of the spring and you enjoy it. And you're thankful because you've got to be there to see all of her now in the winter, it goes away. It's just something that it's beautiful, like the destruction,
Speaker 3 (11m 22s): Even the destruction of it. I, and I know
Speaker 1 (11m 25s): That that's, I think that's the wrong word is more of like the decay of close your eyes. You could imagine this slowly start society right now and you could see it as a scary or a chaotic however, really is just a cycle of life and is worthy of it.
So beautiful, such a beautiful flower, a country, the ideas and which we chose to go to our heart were so beautiful is worthy of here, but it should be that any great book, any great concert or any great show you've ever seen. It's brought you to tears because it's kind of sad because there has to be at must be this way. Some people think a Howard
Speaker 2 (12m 27s): And it's never, this is it. We're all gonna die and it's not true. It's not true. Not all of us are going to die. It's just that this particular flower has bloomed and no matter what, you can't save it, you can't go and paint the edges of the flour white and pretend its the same with like
Speaker 1 (12m 54s): No matter how much you try it and covered in gold bronze casting in a dye, you can have these image of it, but there is no actual substance left and that, you know what I mean by that? Like if you drew the flower with beautiful, but it wouldn't have the fray sculpted, the flower you'd have the image of a flower, but a wouldn't be the flower the same as with the United States, as we knew it from the seventies two, the year 2000, but don't despair on the spare.
Another one will bloom. You may not be the same color that may not have the exact same frame, but you can bet it will be beautiful. And the people that get to see that well, if they know where to look, they know how to look, we'll be able to enjoy it. Maybe we will too. I think that that should be one of our goals to teach our kids how to understand the cycle of life, how to see the experience, right?
You must understand the system to enjoy this period, but you must have the experience to truly understand. That's what I was thinking about the age is favorable at the very greatest art teacher and about subjects as to which there is the very greatest and unanimous city and popularity, it speaks to the common people and when art begins to break up into co-chairs, I do not think it as much as it is of much significance.
These co-teachers begin by saying this is too fun for the older to understand. I doubt if it is very good or great. The question of whether science or a scientific age with foster youth to poetry, I think is some of the great poets live in our time might have been not poets with scientists.
Shelly to, for example, I think is quite possible. He could have a chemist. Business's A little bit of it is in the car. He says cloud the Carlisle at a photo of you have to be a prophet.
That one must have the right qualifications allowed a voice of bold face and the bad temper.
Speaker 2 (16m 38s): That's pretty funny. Satire
Speaker 4 (16m 51s): Is the sour milk of human kindness.
Speaker 2 (16m 54s): How singularly
Speaker 4 (16m 55s): Humorous the Bible is remarked
Speaker 2 (16m 57s): With the doctor. I wonder why you, you,
Speaker 4 (17m 0s): It would be a gloomy too said Whitehead gravely. And if you had jihad,
Speaker 1 (17m 7s): But what is a contract with the Greeks and the rafter? Where does it come in to a stop and say, yes Whitehead. But I think humor is a bit later than the state, which are the prophets, but I think humor is a day later and Aristophanes's is a bit special or is there any much humor in Homer? Yes.
And when writing is new men do not set down what they regard as triviality and ms. Chances, they do regard as trivial even now in primitive tribes, some of our fellows who were out in Africa during the ward, tell them how the locals went down to a stream for something and came back roaring with laughter what was the joke? Y a crocodile has suddenly popped out at the Y and snatch and one of the fellows on one of their phones, mind you, this came as we were rising from the table Springs, the show was falling.
It could be her and making a musical pass for the living rooms like that carried on the state Slack plaster. You were speaking at speaking at the table and the return, the return at the fitting room at the rock factory was one of those versus by the way, it's all the good people were clever.
And those that are a clever we're good. This will be nice to have we dreamed that a possibly could, but it seems as though seldom it's ever due to, to hit it off as they should. The good are so harsh to the clever and a clever So rude. The good news that is beautiful. That's checked that one out again and all the good people were clever and those that are clever, we're good.
This world would be nicer than we dreamed at a possible, but it seems as though seldom ever did a two and eight it off as they should, or the good are so harsh that the clever clever then should clever portray painter at nickels flattering, perhaps with such an amazing time capsule capital to go back just to hear that a different conversation by a specialty.
Like if you get a chance, I think letter's, you can often find Dialogues books like this one. Dialogues the Alfred North Whitehead. Sometimes you can read these letters of indices care about the correspondence dinner, and you get some really good ideas of how people thought sometimes so
Speaker 3 (20m 48s): Different than we think today. And other times almost indistinguishable from a conversation you may have. Is there anything in spiritual law to compensate the truly find peace
Speaker 1 (21m 10s): To concerts as against a professional showman for a geo sows 200. I am inclined to think that is one of the permanent tragedies in life. So that's a spine or a quality does a veil plus a white paper headlines chosen
Speaker 3 (21m 38s): Billboards to cell in the article.
Speaker 1 (21m 40s): Opt-in make you have the wrong idea of what is inside the paper. Do you think there are days when my impression is that they are our modern substitute for the call, a cm martyr wild page. What do you think are today's headlines reminiscent of the Roman Coliseum instead of watching Christian by a lion, you can see public shaming, political people in Wal-Mart mostly, I would say in the last few years,
Speaker 3 (22m 40s): The majority has been white people,
Speaker 1 (22m 45s): White, white Redmond. Seeing the ways that are fair game, a little bit
Speaker 3 (23m 10s): <inaudible>
Speaker 1 (23m 14s): England, or when to the difficulty of individual talents, finding their way up through class. Strat people stay with their class, bring their class along. And we have a labor movement. Ably led by working class men. So ably That in 1924. And again, in 1929 is when we had labor government. They were well-qualified carry on all the ministries of empire, including foreign affairs.
All of our labor movement is still a long way from that. And isn't that one reason why you are exceptional talents can rise rapidly. So they arrive, but they leave the class behind thus English. Aristocracy is a genuine democracy and American democracy.
Speaker 3 (24m 13s): It was creating and there were a startup.
Speaker 1 (24m 17s): I think I talked about this in a video I didn't while back I think it's a good ring true today. You know, when you see in a working class neighborhoods, when you see people, so let me rephrase it. When a leader comes from a lower class, when there is a minority leader, when there is a good leader for a working class
Speaker 3 (24m 47s): And usually those leaders rise and they are given the backing of their community, the financial backing, the support, all of that comes with being a leader and those leaders fight and begin making gains for their community. However, after a while those leaders are taken out of the community,
Speaker 1 (25m 17s): A grade in their time, They trade their class, give him a hand up into more recognized position. They were given a chance for you to become part of that trouble in class, as rough, as long as they are really, as long as they are willing, somewhat denounced the environment in which they came from.
Does that make sense? If you look at say Kaepernick or the Bronx or dr. Dre, I'm thinking of specifically from the African-American communities were here, is these people that would be phenomenal, civil rights leaders. I'm not entirely clear, I'm not judging them. I'm just throwing these examples out there.
Like if you live in this inner sea, that's not a very nice place to live. Definitely not a nice place to have kids. When you get the opportunity to leave that community, your goal, regardless of what you say about was where I learned how to be street smart. I have learned how to have all my ideas at all, to fighting,
Speaker 2 (26m 47s): Whatever, whatever
Speaker 1 (26m 52s): Rationalization you want to use for what you are taught in that community. Are you going to leave? Right? So you're not going to step over anybody. So, and even though they use it, a lot of them use energy in that communities to come liters in that community, give them the opportunity to leave these crazy
Speaker 2 (27m 18s): <inaudible>.
Speaker 1 (27m 21s): And that's what keeps those communities in poverty is that the people that do have the ability to lead that community out, choose to turn their back on that community. When they're given the options of, Hey, why don't you come and do this instead of being down there. And I think that's just human nature, whether you were white or red or black or Brown, or seems to be at least in our country, according to Whitehead, he talks about how the class system is different in England.
You're born into this class, you stay in that class. We have the house of Lords in the house of commons. And I would argue that we have a house of representatives in a sense, we can talk about how we vote for me at all you need to do is look at the last few elections, hoppy the college,
Speaker 2 (28m 21s): And
Speaker 1 (28m 24s): Realize that the level of corruption creasing at our systems. And in fact, because the more this is about Cause ideas of students, I think is important to note. He was a teacher at Harvard minds. Don't classify as easily as some of my colleagues Pre
Speaker 2 (28m 55s): I am profoundly suspicious of The a man. He can say back what you want to hear in an examination. And since the examination is roughly a means of tests, you must give him his a if he says it back, but the ability not to say the willingness to give you back, what is expected of him argues a certain shallowness and superficial reality.
Speaker 1 (29m 25s): You may be a bit muddle headed, but muddle headedness is a condition to independent thought may actually be independent creative thoughts just the first day. Of course they didn't know further than middle head, but when my colleague to chat with me for getting more than they are willing to do and tax me with tender heartedness, I reflect it.
I would rather not have it on my head that I was the one who discouraged and incipient out. I once heard someone say a and B students' make the best manager. I mean, it's the C students, which tends to be the most creative for the most outside the box. And his rationale was a very similar in that. If you're in a and B student in your whole life, you've been trained to do with the teacher tells us you've been conditioned, buy the bells and the whistles done exactly what your tone and not talk back that you have become the perfect manager, the difference between a manager as a leader.
I think every once in case you don't know the manager, as someone who does things right in a leader is someone that does the right thing.
Speaker 5 (30m 55s): And there's a difference there.
Speaker 1 (30m 58s): Yeah. I think you get the truer picture of the jury from intimate letters written as a sponsor sponsor it. I think you get a bit of a period for intimate letters written as spontaneous, without a thought on the location than you do from its fiction. Better. Like for me, the story I like that too.
That's true. How about the idea of enthusiasts? We were talking about enthusiasts, how the tendency around here and is to try to get it down, nothing great or new can be done with that enthusiasm and this, he has plenty of in this community. Never damped it down, but he comes from the Midwest and can't be understood without that fact.
You said, he thought that the beginning in colonial times, the outgoing people found atmospheres of the Massachusetts Bay colony. A bit of oppressive moved on to Connecticut and Rhode Island for a new Haven Providence. And that in turn, those who found Connecticut a bit slower, moved on after the revolution or the Western reserve in Ohio,
Speaker 5 (32m 28s): Where he came from. And he said, you have picked up for him
Speaker 1 (32m 31s): To have this long read somewhere else out. I think that was good. So the Whitehead people keep moving geographically. There's a lot for men. Can, do you think about that thing about the term in that person's very outgoing at all that person is leaving
Speaker 3 (33m 6s): Person is a very outgoing, they were willing to go out there.
Speaker 1 (33m 13s): I mean,
Speaker 3 (33m 14s): Yeah, I like it. I think that there's something there. Now think about your ancestors. If you live in our country, you have immigrated at some time and probably have you moved on from the town in which you lived. Do you feel a common bond with people that seem to be always traveling
Speaker 1 (33m 33s): Even their families? When you looked at your family, if you have brothers and sisters or cousins who have in the same area for the entirety of their life, what do you have? Some family members who have been dispersed around the nation, interested in just proceed to change and signifies the approaching.
End of it is an interesting, let's talk about this one for a minute fence to talk to the Yankee clipper ships in the 19th century and the glue sester fishing schooners in the 20th, having each in their turn reached a culminating point were they were works of art only to be super So the Clippers by steams the schooner.
So by the internal combustion engines, as I remember some like perfection just proceed to change and signifies the approaching gains of this discussion was carried over from table two coffee in the living presently Mark by the American inventiveness. Just not as refined as the original as is often gets the credit But is frequently secondary article in the gentleman's.
We didn't really have the lead on the automobile. French dude that was adapted to get a multi-center. Yes. And doesn't most of this comes to apparatus the transportation of bodies and the transmission of thoughts, not thought itself all about original thought. If these United States were engulfed like the fable continent of Atlanta, what would we have left by which to be remembered?
Thoughts? What are you guys think that if the U S came down today, swallowed it into the depths of the ocean, what would we have left by which to be according to this gentleman, your diffusion of literacy, average comfort well-beings among the masses to me is one of the major achievement in human history.
In a previous lands and times, even under the best conditions, diffusion
Speaker 3 (36m 37s): Of culture was
Speaker 1 (36m 40s): A small strata. Never more than 20% at the most. I just extend to the multitude of at least a decent standard of living and enormous contribution to civilizations that is incredibly relevant to what we see today. If you live in a first world country and your family,
Speaker 3 (37m 10s): It's over a, a a hundred thousand dollars, you are a part of the 1%. You live a life that is greater in some ways than the medieval Kings of Europe could have fruit from all over the world, brought to your home, keep it refrigerated. You can travel through the air via the automobile, different States across the world. And there are a relatively short amount of time.
Speaker 1 (37m 41s): It's interesting to think about it. So this is something such as a blip, such a blip, the timeline of all the land when there's been so much wealth created. So many people enjoy all the reference to Jimmy, Jimmy Pre Plato's story told so long, you Greeks are only four is the point is, is they did it on their own and like a marathon.
They were rather violent. That's interesting to think about it, right? Think about the stories of ancient Greece is so long going to Egypt, being taken under the Sphinx to see the hall of records and have looked into the history of the Pharos so long that they're a generation is merely church.
There's a side. The entirety is nearly children. My question to a value to the average student of digging out the niceties of meaning from the text's, the Greeks themselves. We wouldn't have done such as, and when Greek scholars telling me that, but what our author really meant was they aren't helping along base any other method and opportunistic.
I'm not sure what the true anachronism is. The other way around this backward looking traditionalism came in with the Renaissance wasn't for my own departments. Philosophy has been, especially from that is why I have attempted to invent new terminologies for a new concept. There was a jargon and thinking, which get in the way of fight itself is as bad as the archeology of American art in the Greek period of Renaissance, painting the princess spot pictures that were being painted.
Then not centuries before, if you are millionaires would spend their money on collecting old master But on contemporary, your American art would have a better flourish, something to not just art, but also any sort of commodity, any sort of, I can understand what societies get in trouble with time and trying to find out what it was about the first time.
However, in fasting, instead of investing in, in the future, seems to me to be a recipe.
Speaker 4 (41m 36s): He is on the literature that is it's different from Europe in England. I think after the 10th is
Speaker 1 (41m 48s): Got it. Let us say. After 16, the vivid and sensitive people, the artistic type got their satisfaction no longer out of the aesthetic creation, but out of religious experience, at least for the next 50 years, you will notice a distinct falling off in art architecture as a poet until after the rain of the literature is good. Even work of genius, but not as good.
The architecture has elegance, but lacks power. Now I think religious experience lacks something which is got out of artistic expression, it's stir, but it does not suit, perhaps it is that it lacks the intellectual discipline of artistic expression. When people watch a gorgeous sunset, for example, they are excited, but they are also soon.
And when you add this, the element of order in which the artist introduces into his creation, which must also be grasped by the enjoyer, there was a mental effort required cooperation with the artist in order to produce the effects. That's a fascinating, if you want to create something that is able to transcend, you must create and express elegance.
Something that we can see in nature, like the sun. You're excited to stick to that. You're also soon, you got to think about a sunset it's just on our stores slowly, gently giving ways thinking into the ocean is amazing, right?
Really beautiful. If you close your eyes, you could probably be, imagine it. What other concepts can you think of is the combined burning sensation of the sun's healing power in the ocean merging into one. That my friend. You figure that out. And you're able to provide that experience for someone to view.
We'll make you in your idea, trends in time. What do you suppose? This is a different religious experience. And so often to make a response to work so much, I would say it was just that experience as well as a religious experience is more apt to spend on the emotions around,
Speaker 4 (45m 28s): But not satisfied in science and the modern world. I have dealt with the necessity of irreverence. He got down the volume from the shelves and found the passage in chapter 13, which we read aloud together. Is it that nothing, no experience good for bad.
Speaker 1 (45m 56s): They were bad. No bullying, no Cause is in itself. Momentous enough to monopolize the whole of life to the exclusion of laughter. Laughter is our reminder that our theories are an attempt to make existence intelligible. The necessarily only in a attempt does not take out. You wrap up the instinctive First in the balance of true by laughter.
Yeah. Oh, that's a classic. All right. Have you ever just been balls deep in an idea or in an argument or in studying something and believing your, an authority figure a year, or have you heard someone do that? Like, this is what it is. I am an expert. I am an authoritative source on this. No sometimes the more you can clearly see through areas that is funny too.
Its funny when someone is incredibly arrogant and cocky and their proven wrong and then just makes everybody laugh. Even just a bad person is Eric But because we all make that mistake. We all sometimes think that we know. And on the flip side it's just almost painful sometimes to see somebody who thinks they know, but they don't now that we've treated the arrogance ignorance and there was a time for laughter both of those cases.
I hope that when do you think about that particular section, it allows you to laugh at yourself. I know I do so many things. I always think I know things, but then I just find myself laughing. Like, no, I know that, but it's also AML for your conversations two, when you hear people talk and they're so sure about things and you can just ask a question for you. Maybe it's I find it just doesn't make me seem like it's a Dick, but I find it rewarding to talk to someone and have either of them point out my flaws in my thinking, which there's a lot of, or sometimes I'd like to point out that our flaws and if you can do it in a kind of elegant way, I think you could have respect for one to another.
A lot of the times I know when people have done it, I have been puntificating on something. I think it was just this and this and this. And I lay out like I have been given what I call the padded two by fours where someone will or you think that, that, and then they will ask me another question that points out the inconsistency, which have fallen victim.
It's fun. I love language. And I loved talking to be bored. I kind of like arguing Right I think it is something that really helps you understand. And if you can find someone who would argue with you that would do it in good fun. I think you'll find that often seems to me Whitehead was that European man. It was at his
Speaker 2 (49m 34s): Best between 1400 and 1600 since then. Our appreciation of beauty has become to overlaid with intellectual as icing intellectualizing. We educated people have our aesthetic sense to highly cultivated and do not come to beauty. Simply enough is possible that the feeling for beauty is much more true and strong in unschooled people than in ourselves,
Speaker 1 (50m 5s): Early cathedral builders or even to Norman in Romanesque did not fear us. They built and the poets were to work much more of the bank we have today. Overelaborate the only place I see another great flower, a European culture. Mike is ready for this. This is where the gentleman or saw the next great flowering of your culture, any guesses, the American middle West in the West.
Which if you think about how the mid West is thought of the day, it's usually by a D it seems that if you consider the coastal areas of New York and Silicon Valley, the intellectually lead, they would have the exact opposite of a flowering culture and in the Midwest more about where you start to be fresh and from the ground up to you and your chapter have dealt sensibly with the problem that Americans in Europe into must not copy.
They must be themselves to know these Americans, imitations of Europe. We'll always lack interest
Speaker 5 (51m 34s): In vitality as
Speaker 1 (51m 41s): Americans study of Europe. And so when it comes to the God, bless my life ever been done. When the deeper reaches of creation, there is nothing else you are learning. Maybe you can see it can be helped by having been so assimilated. As you have become unconscious and forgotten.
As you have written, there was something backward looking in. Most universities dealing with literature. It is not what has to be done. If it is what has been done, I'm going to stop there for a second. That's a huge problem. I, and I think that this particular dialog right here that we just spoke about is in fact, while we're in a such a mess today in our schools, in our education system, we never teach what is to be done.
The only change what has been done. We don't say that we should all slavery. When you say that these people have been enslaved, we don't want to say
Speaker 5 (53m 7s): That we should find a way
Speaker 1 (53m 10s): For everyone to achieve the best life. You see these people who have done. So now they have gotten a wave talking about solutions, focus mainly on problems back to the article. And it is apt to be on track, to create word by the way, that means like oily or
Speaker 2 (53m 42s): Dis respective of the persons think of like a, like an oily sarcasm, right? Like this is one of those people and they would be unctuous. It is apt to be unctuous and deferential. I have a horror of creative intelligence congealing into, into two good teaching, static ideas. This is the correct thing.
Speaker 1 (54m 12s): And you know, passive acceptance of polite learning without any attention of doing anything about it, teachers should be acutely conscious with the deficiencies. It's a matter of what they are. Teaching may be quite lacking in the necessary ingredients, neutral. They should be on their guard against them material and teach their students to be on their guard, gets to them once learning solidified all of this over with these college faculty that are going to want watching the danger is that education will be free and it will be thought of this.
And this are the right things to know. And when that happens, thoughts is dead. I am immensely annoying by the smugness of a certain kind of tomorrow, which goes on among my colleagues scornful talk about No theory, being a good, that is only half of tests and the meticulous, the assembling of facts. Also the aloofness of the university from a practical license, not only the federal and state governments, but even this all affairs, there is a great function, which a wait for the American universities and that is to civilize business is better to get business men, to civilize themselves by using their power all over the practical process of life, to civilize their sociological function.
It is not enough that they should a mass fortunes or that. And then in Dow at a college right across from the motive and a massive is a fortune order. Do you use it for a socially constructed? Wow. I'm willing to bet they don't teach that.
That's a pretty profound, let me read it. Let me read a little bit more. What do you mean with so altruistic a motive ever be able to amass a fortune. It would probably be given away as fast as he amassed. It what I mean in his law has been civilized that was done by the Greeks and the Romans Justinian. And a lot of medicine has been taken out of magic.
Education has been getting rid of a tumble and next it is time to teach business is sociological function. If America has to be civilized in must be done at least for the present by the business class who are in possession of a power and the economic process. I don't need to tell you that there is a good deal of sniffing on the Harvard college and graduate school side of the Charles river snipping at the new Harvard school of business administration on the opposite bank.
That strikes me as a snobbish on the front. Imagine if the American university were up to their job, they would be taking business in teaching and ethics and professional standards. You said that he thought that the interpretation of history by economic determinants was a singular efficient, not even such an attempt at the unification of the world as Alexander's colors. And Helen is
Speaker 3 (57m 50s): <inaudible> of Eastern Asia success though. He made and muddle though he left was a nobler effort, any more effective agent, any Aristotle
Speaker 1 (58m 4s): To receive that sheet that shows me his leadership. There was done with my friends. That's about an hour and right here. So I don't want to make it too long, but I will catch you tomorrow. My friend, you enjoy the world of Alfred North Whitehead combined a little sprinkling of the George Monty hope we have a great day.
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Thanks for asking for things. We're thinking about the topic of drinking. I have been reading a book called The Dialogues of Alfred North Whitehead do you ever get a chance to pick up anything by Alfred North Whitehead I would highly suggest you do it. And that is what this podcast is going to be about. It's important to note that the majority of this book takes place from 1840, tonight at 40, it goes into it a little bit of history in, and it gets into mr.
Alfred, North Whitehead slides. We'll be going through some of his ideas, some of his thoughts and mind you, this is a book, not particularly about anything in particular. It is a sad day. She was a Dialogues at, he had with a lot of different reporters. And so that any further waiting on your part, let's dig in here. I'm just going to go from time to time.
Some things that I've highlighted to get my thoughts of course allow when you talk about it, what it means to be nice to have made friends, do you have a domesticated one? So we have no black looks or angry words for our neighbors.
It's a few enjoys himself on his own way to the whole earth subculture, a famous man, and their story is not a grave and only on stone over their native earth, butterflies on far away without a visible symbol woven into the stuff of other men's lives, pretty feet, right? So we're just going to go through and check out a few more quotes and we get to some that kind of jump in and tell you what I had to think about the American newspapers give a totally wrong impression for the 10 month.
One comes to read their small man. He finds that they are written by very sensible pieces and in their space a lot, they are much more fair to political opponents than
Speaker 2 (3m 36s): English one.
Speaker 1 (3m 39s): Clearly this was written on the creative art. They ran out well, not very imagine the Americans, students that are less well-informed of more eager to learn English are less eager,
Speaker 2 (4m 10s): Have a more informed. The American boy knows less about what interests him more. The English boy knows more about what seems to interest him less. Interesting. I always find it fascinating to learn about different cultures and not just by reading a book, but hearing about the perspective
Speaker 1 (4m 42s): I have other culture for people's point of view. I think the English vs the American culture as fascinating to hear and learn about, especially from a gentleman like Alfred North Whitehead who was prior to coming to America, I would say a part of not the aristocracy, but higher middle class. If you get an idea of the gentleman, what it was like when he moved over here. So it's a fascinating book. If you guys get an opportunity, I'm going to try to stoke your curiosity by getting into some other stuff that you talked about here.
All right. Ages of upheaval, favorable to creation. I fancy they are, if not to prolong to violent, I think that out of great chaos Can come great creation. And in fact, only out of chaos can come without chaos without the tearing down for the great eight.
Is it a, how would you describe, like if you think about things right now, you could make the case that chaos is moving in on our society. Thunder storm clouds gathering, getting ready to fall down on, but we need that. You have to wonder sometimes, you know, as chaotic as it is right now, that can be done except to face the chaos and while its easy to lay blame for saved by it and whatever you want to throw out there it's seems to me that is unavoidable and that there is, there is no solution.
There's just these periods of violent upheaval where we as a species needs to not only face, but become the catalyst on that. We must destroy some of the old ideas so that we could have a new one could argue that things were so well for so long to maintain that I was thinking of a good way to look at our environment right now.
Let me give you an example. I was out of my garden and I didn't have a big garden that I like. It was really beautiful. And I had these 14 years in there. If anyone has gardenias or has ever sold, the idea is just a lovely smell, I guess, like to explain it to me. However, let me imagine a little bit of salt.
Imagine that the next week
Speaker 3 (8m 18s): And Roma have a warm vanilla and that's kind of like how the Gardenia smell And you could begin to smell the Gardenia as it begins to bloom in the life cycle of it is maybe a week. And so you'll see the bud and then it opens up Whoo
Speaker 1 (8m 38s): Beautiful flowers,
Speaker 3 (8m 41s): A white flower looks like a pure white wedding dress
Speaker 1 (8m 47s): And it has this unbelievable But for the sunlight. Then on day four, you could begin to notice with the flowers. You need to have the Brown a little bit fragrances while still notice is nowhere near as the portal becomes a little bit more Brown, day six, it begins the wilting continues
Speaker 3 (9m 27s): And it's all kind of shriveled up
Speaker 1 (9m 28s): And in about a week at fault. Now there are things you can do. You could cut that flower, often, put it in a jar and use some attitudes to keep the flower alive longer. But at that point in time, you cut it off the tree. And I think that metaphor of the garden giving way to the flower beauty, and it's a real flowering and in all its glory and then we'll do it.
That's the cycle. Not only have a flower but of our life in our society. And I would argue that
Speaker 3 (10m 18s): It kind of where our society is right now. I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10m 21s): And it would be the editor's of the guardian you have in Browning for a while in the chaos of the street is the symptom of DK society and its sad to see it also really beautiful. If you could just
Speaker 3 (10m 49s): Step back and look at our society at that level,
Speaker 1 (10m 53s): Our society, it's like the most brilliant flour flowering at the time of the spring and you enjoy it. And you're thankful because you've got to be there to see all of her now in the winter, it goes away. It's just something that it's beautiful, like the destruction,
Speaker 3 (11m 22s): Even the destruction of it. I, and I know
Speaker 1 (11m 25s): That that's, I think that's the wrong word is more of like the decay of close your eyes. You could imagine this slowly start society right now and you could see it as a scary or a chaotic however, really is just a cycle of life and is worthy of it.
So beautiful, such a beautiful flower, a country, the ideas and which we chose to go to our heart were so beautiful is worthy of here, but it should be that any great book, any great concert or any great show you've ever seen. It's brought you to tears because it's kind of sad because there has to be at must be this way. Some people think a Howard
Speaker 2 (12m 27s): And it's never, this is it. We're all gonna die and it's not true. It's not true. Not all of us are going to die. It's just that this particular flower has bloomed and no matter what, you can't save it, you can't go and paint the edges of the flour white and pretend its the same with like
Speaker 1 (12m 54s): No matter how much you try it and covered in gold bronze casting in a dye, you can have these image of it, but there is no actual substance left and that, you know what I mean by that? Like if you drew the flower with beautiful, but it wouldn't have the fray sculpted, the flower you'd have the image of a flower, but a wouldn't be the flower the same as with the United States, as we knew it from the seventies two, the year 2000, but don't despair on the spare.
Another one will bloom. You may not be the same color that may not have the exact same frame, but you can bet it will be beautiful. And the people that get to see that well, if they know where to look, they know how to look, we'll be able to enjoy it. Maybe we will too. I think that that should be one of our goals to teach our kids how to understand the cycle of life, how to see the experience, right?
You must understand the system to enjoy this period, but you must have the experience to truly understand. That's what I was thinking about the age is favorable at the very greatest art teacher and about subjects as to which there is the very greatest and unanimous city and popularity, it speaks to the common people and when art begins to break up into co-chairs, I do not think it as much as it is of much significance.
These co-teachers begin by saying this is too fun for the older to understand. I doubt if it is very good or great. The question of whether science or a scientific age with foster youth to poetry, I think is some of the great poets live in our time might have been not poets with scientists.
Shelly to, for example, I think is quite possible. He could have a chemist. Business's A little bit of it is in the car. He says cloud the Carlisle at a photo of you have to be a prophet.
That one must have the right qualifications allowed a voice of bold face and the bad temper.
Speaker 2 (16m 38s): That's pretty funny. Satire
Speaker 4 (16m 51s): Is the sour milk of human kindness.
Speaker 2 (16m 54s): How singularly
Speaker 4 (16m 55s): Humorous the Bible is remarked
Speaker 2 (16m 57s): With the doctor. I wonder why you, you,
Speaker 4 (17m 0s): It would be a gloomy too said Whitehead gravely. And if you had jihad,
Speaker 1 (17m 7s): But what is a contract with the Greeks and the rafter? Where does it come in to a stop and say, yes Whitehead. But I think humor is a bit later than the state, which are the prophets, but I think humor is a day later and Aristophanes's is a bit special or is there any much humor in Homer? Yes.
And when writing is new men do not set down what they regard as triviality and ms. Chances, they do regard as trivial even now in primitive tribes, some of our fellows who were out in Africa during the ward, tell them how the locals went down to a stream for something and came back roaring with laughter what was the joke? Y a crocodile has suddenly popped out at the Y and snatch and one of the fellows on one of their phones, mind you, this came as we were rising from the table Springs, the show was falling.
It could be her and making a musical pass for the living rooms like that carried on the state Slack plaster. You were speaking at speaking at the table and the return, the return at the fitting room at the rock factory was one of those versus by the way, it's all the good people were clever.
And those that are a clever we're good. This will be nice to have we dreamed that a possibly could, but it seems as though seldom it's ever due to, to hit it off as they should. The good are so harsh to the clever and a clever So rude. The good news that is beautiful. That's checked that one out again and all the good people were clever and those that are clever, we're good.
This world would be nicer than we dreamed at a possible, but it seems as though seldom ever did a two and eight it off as they should, or the good are so harsh that the clever clever then should clever portray painter at nickels flattering, perhaps with such an amazing time capsule capital to go back just to hear that a different conversation by a specialty.
Like if you get a chance, I think letter's, you can often find Dialogues books like this one. Dialogues the Alfred North Whitehead. Sometimes you can read these letters of indices care about the correspondence dinner, and you get some really good ideas of how people thought sometimes so
Speaker 3 (20m 48s): Different than we think today. And other times almost indistinguishable from a conversation you may have. Is there anything in spiritual law to compensate the truly find peace
Speaker 1 (21m 10s): To concerts as against a professional showman for a geo sows 200. I am inclined to think that is one of the permanent tragedies in life. So that's a spine or a quality does a veil plus a white paper headlines chosen
Speaker 3 (21m 38s): Billboards to cell in the article.
Speaker 1 (21m 40s): Opt-in make you have the wrong idea of what is inside the paper. Do you think there are days when my impression is that they are our modern substitute for the call, a cm martyr wild page. What do you think are today's headlines reminiscent of the Roman Coliseum instead of watching Christian by a lion, you can see public shaming, political people in Wal-Mart mostly, I would say in the last few years,
Speaker 3 (22m 40s): The majority has been white people,
Speaker 1 (22m 45s): White, white Redmond. Seeing the ways that are fair game, a little bit
Speaker 3 (23m 10s): <inaudible>
Speaker 1 (23m 14s): England, or when to the difficulty of individual talents, finding their way up through class. Strat people stay with their class, bring their class along. And we have a labor movement. Ably led by working class men. So ably That in 1924. And again, in 1929 is when we had labor government. They were well-qualified carry on all the ministries of empire, including foreign affairs.
All of our labor movement is still a long way from that. And isn't that one reason why you are exceptional talents can rise rapidly. So they arrive, but they leave the class behind thus English. Aristocracy is a genuine democracy and American democracy.
Speaker 3 (24m 13s): It was creating and there were a startup.
Speaker 1 (24m 17s): I think I talked about this in a video I didn't while back I think it's a good ring true today. You know, when you see in a working class neighborhoods, when you see people, so let me rephrase it. When a leader comes from a lower class, when there is a minority leader, when there is a good leader for a working class
Speaker 3 (24m 47s): And usually those leaders rise and they are given the backing of their community, the financial backing, the support, all of that comes with being a leader and those leaders fight and begin making gains for their community. However, after a while those leaders are taken out of the community,
Speaker 1 (25m 17s): A grade in their time, They trade their class, give him a hand up into more recognized position. They were given a chance for you to become part of that trouble in class, as rough, as long as they are really, as long as they are willing, somewhat denounced the environment in which they came from.
Does that make sense? If you look at say Kaepernick or the Bronx or dr. Dre, I'm thinking of specifically from the African-American communities were here, is these people that would be phenomenal, civil rights leaders. I'm not entirely clear, I'm not judging them. I'm just throwing these examples out there.
Like if you live in this inner sea, that's not a very nice place to live. Definitely not a nice place to have kids. When you get the opportunity to leave that community, your goal, regardless of what you say about was where I learned how to be street smart. I have learned how to have all my ideas at all, to fighting,
Speaker 2 (26m 47s): Whatever, whatever
Speaker 1 (26m 52s): Rationalization you want to use for what you are taught in that community. Are you going to leave? Right? So you're not going to step over anybody. So, and even though they use it, a lot of them use energy in that communities to come liters in that community, give them the opportunity to leave these crazy
Speaker 2 (27m 18s): <inaudible>.
Speaker 1 (27m 21s): And that's what keeps those communities in poverty is that the people that do have the ability to lead that community out, choose to turn their back on that community. When they're given the options of, Hey, why don't you come and do this instead of being down there. And I think that's just human nature, whether you were white or red or black or Brown, or seems to be at least in our country, according to Whitehead, he talks about how the class system is different in England.
You're born into this class, you stay in that class. We have the house of Lords in the house of commons. And I would argue that we have a house of representatives in a sense, we can talk about how we vote for me at all you need to do is look at the last few elections, hoppy the college,
Speaker 2 (28m 21s): And
Speaker 1 (28m 24s): Realize that the level of corruption creasing at our systems. And in fact, because the more this is about Cause ideas of students, I think is important to note. He was a teacher at Harvard minds. Don't classify as easily as some of my colleagues Pre
Speaker 2 (28m 55s): I am profoundly suspicious of The a man. He can say back what you want to hear in an examination. And since the examination is roughly a means of tests, you must give him his a if he says it back, but the ability not to say the willingness to give you back, what is expected of him argues a certain shallowness and superficial reality.
Speaker 1 (29m 25s): You may be a bit muddle headed, but muddle headedness is a condition to independent thought may actually be independent creative thoughts just the first day. Of course they didn't know further than middle head, but when my colleague to chat with me for getting more than they are willing to do and tax me with tender heartedness, I reflect it.
I would rather not have it on my head that I was the one who discouraged and incipient out. I once heard someone say a and B students' make the best manager. I mean, it's the C students, which tends to be the most creative for the most outside the box. And his rationale was a very similar in that. If you're in a and B student in your whole life, you've been trained to do with the teacher tells us you've been conditioned, buy the bells and the whistles done exactly what your tone and not talk back that you have become the perfect manager, the difference between a manager as a leader.
I think every once in case you don't know the manager, as someone who does things right in a leader is someone that does the right thing.
Speaker 5 (30m 55s): And there's a difference there.
Speaker 1 (30m 58s): Yeah. I think you get the truer picture of the jury from intimate letters written as a sponsor sponsor it. I think you get a bit of a period for intimate letters written as spontaneous, without a thought on the location than you do from its fiction. Better. Like for me, the story I like that too.
That's true. How about the idea of enthusiasts? We were talking about enthusiasts, how the tendency around here and is to try to get it down, nothing great or new can be done with that enthusiasm and this, he has plenty of in this community. Never damped it down, but he comes from the Midwest and can't be understood without that fact.
You said, he thought that the beginning in colonial times, the outgoing people found atmospheres of the Massachusetts Bay colony. A bit of oppressive moved on to Connecticut and Rhode Island for a new Haven Providence. And that in turn, those who found Connecticut a bit slower, moved on after the revolution or the Western reserve in Ohio,
Speaker 5 (32m 28s): Where he came from. And he said, you have picked up for him
Speaker 1 (32m 31s): To have this long read somewhere else out. I think that was good. So the Whitehead people keep moving geographically. There's a lot for men. Can, do you think about that thing about the term in that person's very outgoing at all that person is leaving
Speaker 3 (33m 6s): Person is a very outgoing, they were willing to go out there.
Speaker 1 (33m 13s): I mean,
Speaker 3 (33m 14s): Yeah, I like it. I think that there's something there. Now think about your ancestors. If you live in our country, you have immigrated at some time and probably have you moved on from the town in which you lived. Do you feel a common bond with people that seem to be always traveling
Speaker 1 (33m 33s): Even their families? When you looked at your family, if you have brothers and sisters or cousins who have in the same area for the entirety of their life, what do you have? Some family members who have been dispersed around the nation, interested in just proceed to change and signifies the approaching.
End of it is an interesting, let's talk about this one for a minute fence to talk to the Yankee clipper ships in the 19th century and the glue sester fishing schooners in the 20th, having each in their turn reached a culminating point were they were works of art only to be super So the Clippers by steams the schooner.
So by the internal combustion engines, as I remember some like perfection just proceed to change and signifies the approaching gains of this discussion was carried over from table two coffee in the living presently Mark by the American inventiveness. Just not as refined as the original as is often gets the credit But is frequently secondary article in the gentleman's.
We didn't really have the lead on the automobile. French dude that was adapted to get a multi-center. Yes. And doesn't most of this comes to apparatus the transportation of bodies and the transmission of thoughts, not thought itself all about original thought. If these United States were engulfed like the fable continent of Atlanta, what would we have left by which to be remembered?
Thoughts? What are you guys think that if the U S came down today, swallowed it into the depths of the ocean, what would we have left by which to be according to this gentleman, your diffusion of literacy, average comfort well-beings among the masses to me is one of the major achievement in human history.
In a previous lands and times, even under the best conditions, diffusion
Speaker 3 (36m 37s): Of culture was
Speaker 1 (36m 40s): A small strata. Never more than 20% at the most. I just extend to the multitude of at least a decent standard of living and enormous contribution to civilizations that is incredibly relevant to what we see today. If you live in a first world country and your family,
Speaker 3 (37m 10s): It's over a, a a hundred thousand dollars, you are a part of the 1%. You live a life that is greater in some ways than the medieval Kings of Europe could have fruit from all over the world, brought to your home, keep it refrigerated. You can travel through the air via the automobile, different States across the world. And there are a relatively short amount of time.
Speaker 1 (37m 41s): It's interesting to think about it. So this is something such as a blip, such a blip, the timeline of all the land when there's been so much wealth created. So many people enjoy all the reference to Jimmy, Jimmy Pre Plato's story told so long, you Greeks are only four is the point is, is they did it on their own and like a marathon.
They were rather violent. That's interesting to think about it, right? Think about the stories of ancient Greece is so long going to Egypt, being taken under the Sphinx to see the hall of records and have looked into the history of the Pharos so long that they're a generation is merely church.
There's a side. The entirety is nearly children. My question to a value to the average student of digging out the niceties of meaning from the text's, the Greeks themselves. We wouldn't have done such as, and when Greek scholars telling me that, but what our author really meant was they aren't helping along base any other method and opportunistic.
I'm not sure what the true anachronism is. The other way around this backward looking traditionalism came in with the Renaissance wasn't for my own departments. Philosophy has been, especially from that is why I have attempted to invent new terminologies for a new concept. There was a jargon and thinking, which get in the way of fight itself is as bad as the archeology of American art in the Greek period of Renaissance, painting the princess spot pictures that were being painted.
Then not centuries before, if you are millionaires would spend their money on collecting old master But on contemporary, your American art would have a better flourish, something to not just art, but also any sort of commodity, any sort of, I can understand what societies get in trouble with time and trying to find out what it was about the first time.
However, in fasting, instead of investing in, in the future, seems to me to be a recipe.
Speaker 4 (41m 36s): He is on the literature that is it's different from Europe in England. I think after the 10th is
Speaker 1 (41m 48s): Got it. Let us say. After 16, the vivid and sensitive people, the artistic type got their satisfaction no longer out of the aesthetic creation, but out of religious experience, at least for the next 50 years, you will notice a distinct falling off in art architecture as a poet until after the rain of the literature is good. Even work of genius, but not as good.
The architecture has elegance, but lacks power. Now I think religious experience lacks something which is got out of artistic expression, it's stir, but it does not suit, perhaps it is that it lacks the intellectual discipline of artistic expression. When people watch a gorgeous sunset, for example, they are excited, but they are also soon.
And when you add this, the element of order in which the artist introduces into his creation, which must also be grasped by the enjoyer, there was a mental effort required cooperation with the artist in order to produce the effects. That's a fascinating, if you want to create something that is able to transcend, you must create and express elegance.
Something that we can see in nature, like the sun. You're excited to stick to that. You're also soon, you got to think about a sunset it's just on our stores slowly, gently giving ways thinking into the ocean is amazing, right?
Really beautiful. If you close your eyes, you could probably be, imagine it. What other concepts can you think of is the combined burning sensation of the sun's healing power in the ocean merging into one. That my friend. You figure that out. And you're able to provide that experience for someone to view.
We'll make you in your idea, trends in time. What do you suppose? This is a different religious experience. And so often to make a response to work so much, I would say it was just that experience as well as a religious experience is more apt to spend on the emotions around,
Speaker 4 (45m 28s): But not satisfied in science and the modern world. I have dealt with the necessity of irreverence. He got down the volume from the shelves and found the passage in chapter 13, which we read aloud together. Is it that nothing, no experience good for bad.
Speaker 1 (45m 56s): They were bad. No bullying, no Cause is in itself. Momentous enough to monopolize the whole of life to the exclusion of laughter. Laughter is our reminder that our theories are an attempt to make existence intelligible. The necessarily only in a attempt does not take out. You wrap up the instinctive First in the balance of true by laughter.
Yeah. Oh, that's a classic. All right. Have you ever just been balls deep in an idea or in an argument or in studying something and believing your, an authority figure a year, or have you heard someone do that? Like, this is what it is. I am an expert. I am an authoritative source on this. No sometimes the more you can clearly see through areas that is funny too.
Its funny when someone is incredibly arrogant and cocky and their proven wrong and then just makes everybody laugh. Even just a bad person is Eric But because we all make that mistake. We all sometimes think that we know. And on the flip side it's just almost painful sometimes to see somebody who thinks they know, but they don't now that we've treated the arrogance ignorance and there was a time for laughter both of those cases.
I hope that when do you think about that particular section, it allows you to laugh at yourself. I know I do so many things. I always think I know things, but then I just find myself laughing. Like, no, I know that, but it's also AML for your conversations two, when you hear people talk and they're so sure about things and you can just ask a question for you. Maybe it's I find it just doesn't make me seem like it's a Dick, but I find it rewarding to talk to someone and have either of them point out my flaws in my thinking, which there's a lot of, or sometimes I'd like to point out that our flaws and if you can do it in a kind of elegant way, I think you could have respect for one to another.
A lot of the times I know when people have done it, I have been puntificating on something. I think it was just this and this and this. And I lay out like I have been given what I call the padded two by fours where someone will or you think that, that, and then they will ask me another question that points out the inconsistency, which have fallen victim.
It's fun. I love language. And I loved talking to be bored. I kind of like arguing Right I think it is something that really helps you understand. And if you can find someone who would argue with you that would do it in good fun. I think you'll find that often seems to me Whitehead was that European man. It was at his
Speaker 2 (49m 34s): Best between 1400 and 1600 since then. Our appreciation of beauty has become to overlaid with intellectual as icing intellectualizing. We educated people have our aesthetic sense to highly cultivated and do not come to beauty. Simply enough is possible that the feeling for beauty is much more true and strong in unschooled people than in ourselves,
Speaker 1 (50m 5s): Early cathedral builders or even to Norman in Romanesque did not fear us. They built and the poets were to work much more of the bank we have today. Overelaborate the only place I see another great flower, a European culture. Mike is ready for this. This is where the gentleman or saw the next great flowering of your culture, any guesses, the American middle West in the West.
Which if you think about how the mid West is thought of the day, it's usually by a D it seems that if you consider the coastal areas of New York and Silicon Valley, the intellectually lead, they would have the exact opposite of a flowering culture and in the Midwest more about where you start to be fresh and from the ground up to you and your chapter have dealt sensibly with the problem that Americans in Europe into must not copy.
They must be themselves to know these Americans, imitations of Europe. We'll always lack interest
Speaker 5 (51m 34s): In vitality as
Speaker 1 (51m 41s): Americans study of Europe. And so when it comes to the God, bless my life ever been done. When the deeper reaches of creation, there is nothing else you are learning. Maybe you can see it can be helped by having been so assimilated. As you have become unconscious and forgotten.
As you have written, there was something backward looking in. Most universities dealing with literature. It is not what has to be done. If it is what has been done, I'm going to stop there for a second. That's a huge problem. I, and I think that this particular dialog right here that we just spoke about is in fact, while we're in a such a mess today in our schools, in our education system, we never teach what is to be done.
The only change what has been done. We don't say that we should all slavery. When you say that these people have been enslaved, we don't want to say
Speaker 5 (53m 7s): That we should find a way
Speaker 1 (53m 10s): For everyone to achieve the best life. You see these people who have done. So now they have gotten a wave talking about solutions, focus mainly on problems back to the article. And it is apt to be on track, to create word by the way, that means like oily or
Speaker 2 (53m 42s): Dis respective of the persons think of like a, like an oily sarcasm, right? Like this is one of those people and they would be unctuous. It is apt to be unctuous and deferential. I have a horror of creative intelligence congealing into, into two good teaching, static ideas. This is the correct thing.
Speaker 1 (54m 12s): And you know, passive acceptance of polite learning without any attention of doing anything about it, teachers should be acutely conscious with the deficiencies. It's a matter of what they are. Teaching may be quite lacking in the necessary ingredients, neutral. They should be on their guard against them material and teach their students to be on their guard, gets to them once learning solidified all of this over with these college faculty that are going to want watching the danger is that education will be free and it will be thought of this.
And this are the right things to know. And when that happens, thoughts is dead. I am immensely annoying by the smugness of a certain kind of tomorrow, which goes on among my colleagues scornful talk about No theory, being a good, that is only half of tests and the meticulous, the assembling of facts. Also the aloofness of the university from a practical license, not only the federal and state governments, but even this all affairs, there is a great function, which a wait for the American universities and that is to civilize business is better to get business men, to civilize themselves by using their power all over the practical process of life, to civilize their sociological function.
It is not enough that they should a mass fortunes or that. And then in Dow at a college right across from the motive and a massive is a fortune order. Do you use it for a socially constructed? Wow. I'm willing to bet they don't teach that.
That's a pretty profound, let me read it. Let me read a little bit more. What do you mean with so altruistic a motive ever be able to amass a fortune. It would probably be given away as fast as he amassed. It what I mean in his law has been civilized that was done by the Greeks and the Romans Justinian. And a lot of medicine has been taken out of magic.
Education has been getting rid of a tumble and next it is time to teach business is sociological function. If America has to be civilized in must be done at least for the present by the business class who are in possession of a power and the economic process. I don't need to tell you that there is a good deal of sniffing on the Harvard college and graduate school side of the Charles river snipping at the new Harvard school of business administration on the opposite bank.
That strikes me as a snobbish on the front. Imagine if the American university were up to their job, they would be taking business in teaching and ethics and professional standards. You said that he thought that the interpretation of history by economic determinants was a singular efficient, not even such an attempt at the unification of the world as Alexander's colors. And Helen is
Speaker 3 (57m 50s): <inaudible> of Eastern Asia success though. He made and muddle though he left was a nobler effort, any more effective agent, any Aristotle
Speaker 1 (58m 4s): To receive that sheet that shows me his leadership. There was done with my friends. That's about an hour and right here. So I don't want to make it too long, but I will catch you tomorrow. My friend, you enjoy the world of Alfred North Whitehead combined a little sprinkling of the George Monty hope we have a great day.
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