Speaker 0 (0s): I'm going to start. All right. We are a labor day weekend hanging out with the great Chase Hatton, my nephew, the a haven't seen my friend Chase here for probably a few months. At least. I don't remember. Last time I seen him that it was that time.

Speaker 1 (17s): I saw that it's been a while. I think it's been probably over three years now.

Speaker 0 (22s): Yeah, I had around that in years. Yeah. Yep. It's crazy. It is crazy. And I got to say, I'm super thankful. Like I'm a working on podcasting and I'm a bit, I'm a little, I'm an older guy. I'm almost a boomer here that I got my nephew. Who's been doing some music and has been doing some BMX thing. And I got to tell you that last time I saw him, it was kind of like a kid, but now he's like a man, you know? And so I just want to kinda get in to, and she's like, what, what have you been up to?

And maybe we could start with, like, I know that you've been doing a lot of BMX and I kind of want to get into the law of attraction in tattoos. You got it and stuff like that. But why don't you start telling me a little bit about your, your journey from doing the stairs down in a little Lonnie, to where you are now in, in some of the things that you've learned from BMX and where you are. Okay.

Speaker 1 (1m 13s): So I didn't start BMX saying I started skateboarding with all of my friends. I think that was back in like second grade or something. And everybody just, we would all go to the park and we all kind of follow each other's lead. And one person got a BMX bike and then like chain reaction and everybody else got one. And then after that, everybody just fell in love with it. You go faster, you go higher in the air and you slam harder, but it's always worth it in there.

But yeah. And BMX, one of the biggest thing is that it's taught me guarantee is like, just toughen up. Like you're gonna fall, you're gonna slam hard, but you gotta get back up and just go for it again. And another thing is like, it's a discipline. It's like mentally disciplined because when I did do the sixth grade stairs that Mililani or a ward rail, I had to get into my mind, I had a shut off all my thoughts and just put my body through the motions because I knew that I had the skills to do it.

And yeah. So

Speaker 0 (2m 20s): That's awesome. It makes me think, let me throw this out at you when you were doing those stairs, did you, and I think this is something we all go through when you did those stairs guaranteed. You didn't do it on your first try and you know, and w did you have friends in your circle of friends that you knew for a fact were too scared to do

Speaker 1 (2m 44s): Those stairs? Yeah, most definitely. I mean, there, they were doubting me. They would tell me that I wasn't able to do it. And that just pushed me so much further because I wanted to prove him wrong and show him, you know, what all are going to do right now. And that's pretty much how, what happened

Speaker 2 (3m 1s): In on every rail. Like we literally went from

Speaker 1 (3m 4s): Town and I hit one rail and then we just continually, continuously hit rails throughout the day. And then I worked my way up until from, I think it was a seventh stair, what was my first one and not the ed. And I hit the 14 stare at the middle school.

Speaker 0 (3m 23s): Yeah. It's awesome. I, I, I know that like any guy listening to this right now who's ever had a circle of friends, knows exactly what that's like. And, and, and every guy knows which guy they were in that circle of friends. You know, it, it Stokes me to hear you say that because what you said was like, as soon as they told me I couldn't do it, it made me want to do it more. And it kind of seems to me like, that's, that's a lesson that a lot of people never learn. That lesson are, a lot of people are too afraid to learn that lesson now, you know, and ultimately in life, you're going to learn that lesson, you know, and it's so much better to do it when you're you're age.

And you can apply that same philosophy to your life. Like exactly. You know, one of my lovely wife's favorite songs is by Frank Sinatra and it's all in that's Lite. And it says, you know, whenever I find myself flat on my face, I pick myself up and get back into a race. Like, I think that rather you're a man, a woman, a child, wherever you are. Every one of us has slammed on our face before. And it's so inspiring to hear people talk about, Hey, here's what happened when I got up. Yeah.

Everyone's so focused on the crash. No, the most important part is like, what happened when you got up? You know, and one other quote that I heard that was awesome. It was like this a, I think it's a Rocky and he's talking to his son in his son is all upset because his dads fighting, you know, and, and his dad comes out and he's like, this is a son. You're never going to believe this, but used a few right here in my hand. Oh, you know, and you know what? You've got a good life and you're a tough kid. But somewhere along the way, you know, you let someone stick a finger in your face and tell you, you ain't good enough.

And like a son starts to get a kind of a bond a little bit. They still mad. And it's that goes, listen, life is hard. And nothing hits as hard as life, you know, but it's not about how hard you can move. It's about how hard you can get a hit and get up and keep moving forward. No, sir. You know, and, and so like that, those are the old school BMX days for you. So T so you've obviously hit a different, a bunch of different parks around here today. And you just came from IAA or a pro city, a city. Can you tell me about that park in, in why you like that park and why that is different from others?

So

Speaker 1 (5m 41s): A, the parking in process called manana and a it's ever since I was a kid, every, all the OGV and Maccers would, every Sunday, everybody goes there and it's just a family. Like it's real family vibes. You know, everybody that's there. If you don't know them, they will introduce themselves. And everybody's cool. But everybody shows up on Sundays. So we go out there on Sundays meetup as a group and kick it. Right. They push each other and just try to keep the bobs high.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But that park compared to like Mililani, Mililani, skate park, the transitions, the way that they shaped the concrete is wild. And like the ramp will throw you differently than it will two feet away from where you jumped. But Pearl city is just, it's like a consistent, it's a completely consistent, everything is nicely shaped. It throws you the right way, the right place, whoever knew, or whoever build that park, they know exactly what

Speaker 0 (6m 42s): They're doing. Yeah. Yeah. That was my next question. That sounds like in engineering issue, right? Like I'm a big time. Yeah. Yeah. When you say it's like a, when you go to that park manana, right? Yeah. Like when you say it's a family, like structure, there is that, is that like, there's been the older guys, like, did you go to when you were a kid and now you're the older guy there? Or is it kind of like that? How is that? Explain to me how it's more of a family that, so I know

Speaker 1 (7m 8s): That when I was maybe like middle school, the OGs were maybe like late twenties, like 28 to 13. And then now I'm 20 to, they're all like forties to fifties. So that all cool guys, they are all chilling. And then they bring their kids all the young, the up and coming generations they'll come through and then we'll try and pass on our knowledge for them and make 'em push themselves how the OGs has pushed us back in a day.

And yeah, I mean, it's really a as a family vibe, because like, it's not only like moms, dads, uncles, aunties, there's tests that are set up, they're all outside the park, inside the park. Everybody is just, and everybody's show that to each other, that manana a nice, yeah. As awesome.

Speaker 0 (7m 60s): So it must be, I can imagine it must be pretty awesome. Like in my mind and my hallucination, I can say like a young chase going there and like maybe doing, like coming off the, coming off, what are their heads? And like doing some bar spin, you know, years ago. And then now you're there and you see one of the guys that taught you with his kid, maybe you're teaching him a trick or something like they have you had that happen to you before,

Speaker 1 (8m 23s): Like a, so somebody taught me a trick and then their kid comes up in a two sounds a, not so much in that extent that some, all of my, the OGs don't haven't had as much kids, but right. And yeah, I mean, I would definitely pass on my knowledge to all the younger kids though. Yeah. Like if I see that there's a street oriented or orient oriented, if they like to go hit handrails, if they liked ledgers compared to a Ramson and third jumps, then I'll take them under my wing and all teach you in every grind, how to do it.

What to think about when you're doing it, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 0 (9m 1s): Yeah. Isn't it. Isn't it interesting? Like, so if you think about some of the accomplishments, whether it's hand rails or just different hits and stuff like that. Yeah. You know, when you go through them and you crash or you pull it off, you get a certain feeling. Yeah. But when your taking a kid under your wing, or you're showing them something, then you relive that same experience in a different way. Now, what are you now? You have the ability to show somebody else, like, have you, is it, can you speak to the, like the difference and actually doing something versus actually teaching something that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (9m 36s): I mean, like back in, when I was taught how to do things, it was, you had to do it. Like I'm not even joking, man. They are

Speaker 2 (9m 47s): Older guys were very, they're

Speaker 1 (9m 50s): A pressure, peer pressure to the max. They would take it every trial that we tried, the trip, if we didn't lie. And at the first time they would take a bull off of our bike that we didn't necessarily need at Wright. At that time they would take it. And then if you didn't do it in a mug, enough tries your bike's and to just break in, fall apart and they eat even

Speaker 2 (10m 9s): Harder. So they push us,

Speaker 1 (10m 11s): Man. Yeah. They are. And nowadays we tell the young ins to go do something small or something big doesn't matter, but there's a hesitation with them and they don't want to do it. And then we'll try. I mean, I try and push as much as I can. Right. Well, I don't want to, I mean, I know I don't want to do the same thing that happened

Speaker 2 (10m 32s): To me, but I mean, you have to be pushed like that sometimes

Speaker 0 (10m 35s): Though. Right. It really, yeah. Looking back on it. Can you see like why those older guys did that? Like they were like, we're going to make you do it. Yeah, no, that was definitely, didn't

Speaker 1 (10m 45s): Like a lot of the age that the young kids are right now, we were doing some insane stuff. We were sending, hand-wrote what we were doing, not flips, I would say like seven 20 Spin's and stuff like that. And they don't really, now that you can see a little digression and you can see that there's not that many next generation of writers, because I don't know what's up with it. It's fallen out or whatever. But

Speaker 0 (11m 15s): If you guys like you need to start taking a bolt off bikes

Speaker 2 (11m 19s): For a row. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (11m 21s): How do you think Hawaii rates? Yeah. Like how do you think Hawaii rates? Like, I don't know much about BMX, but I know that there is like a national circuit, it in a whole international scene on it. Does Hawaii have a ranking in that for BMX guys? Or is it, how does that look when it comes

Speaker 1 (11m 37s): To BMX? I know we have a ranking when it comes to a BMX racing, BMX, freestyle, however, we don't have anything. There's no ranking system. We're not even on the map whatsoever. Like compared to the main line guys, mainland companies. I mean, actually my friend in Jordan, he went on to California, moved out their for a little bit. He got sponsored as an amateur, a rider as a fir brand named Cole, which is a pretty big, and there's a BMX in industry, but sure.

I was a question, a loss of,

Speaker 0 (12m 14s): We were just talking about Hawaii role as far as like BMX, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (12m 20s): Yeah. I mean, this, there's not much of a scene out here to be honest. I mean like the scene is family-oriented like when we get all that BMX riders over here, pretty much know each other, like we all, it's all a family oriented. Like we'd just keep everything in Hawaii. That's kind of what we do. We did start ride high, which is a website, R I D E H I N as in Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (12m 44s): But as in like smoke once a week, it's a different website. It's a, but

Speaker 1 (12m 51s): Yeah, that was all, all the, everything that comes out of Hawaii BMX is on that website.

Speaker 0 (12m 56s): Nice. And the would, and that book, that website is like a, is that family oriented too? Like that, that's kind of trying to take care of all the guys here and the people that run it are pretty much guys that have been in this scene. They didn't have a passion for it. Now that's

Speaker 1 (13m 13s): Like the slow OGE and guys that run the site. And then like whenever a young kid, like when I was popping up BMX videos on YouTube, or they would just put the video straight to their page and then tell him like, put on Instagram, promote a dude.

Speaker 0 (13m 29s): Oh, nice, sir. Nice. And then, so we can on that website do that. It's Ryde high. R I S T

Speaker 1 (13m 37s): R I D E H i.com.

Speaker 0 (13m 42s): And if, and if anybody wants to like say some kid from Ohio is like, what? I want to check this out. Can he go on there? And can he upload videos or what's that like when you go to that exact site?

Speaker 1 (13m 51s): So when you go to the site, it's a, I think it's like a Palm tree background island vibes. And then it just, as a kid, you just scroll down in the site and it has every video that every BMX video that's coming out of Hawaii pretty much.

Speaker 0 (14m 6s): Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. What I put a link in the show note, and then maybe we'll get a video next Sunday or something like that. Or if they wouldn't have a non and you know what, when you start getting yours going, know what, I guess we could shift gears. Like you were telling me about the law of attraction. Like, what is the law of attraction and what does, what is your, what is it that you find so interesting about it? So

Speaker 1 (14m 30s): The law of attraction to me is like, you surround yourself with what you want. Like, if I want, if I want to become a pro BMX rider, I'm going to surround myself with BMX brands, bring a BMX product, people that are ride, be in riding BMX. I'm just going to completely indulge in it. And I believe that I think that the everything in the world has an energy or some kind of vibration or something. And I feel like us as humans can actually connect with it and like put a, put our mark on the world or something like that.

Like we can create things with this energy. And I I've experienced it firsthand. I mean, ran him books, a bunch of stuff that I'm gonna, that was gonna happen. A bunch of stuff that I want to happen and stuff like that. And it's, it's gone down and exactly how I put in a notebook.

Speaker 0 (15m 27s): It's a crazy, yeah. I think it's fascinating. And I think it was Henry Ford who said, whether you believe you can and whether you believe you, can't either way you're right. You know, and there's all kinds of books written about people and you hear quotes like a fake it till you make it. And like, what I've learned is that the reality you live in is the one you say, you live it. I exactly have you had a friend it's like all in the pro desk and I'm like, dude, no, you're not. You are not that good. I see you, dude.

You are not that. Yeah. But in his mind, he's like, yes I am. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, you're what a dummy and all of those lab that you put in a few years, like the guy is that he's still not very good at it, but he's, he is that. Yeah. And then after I did that for awhile, I started looking at myself and I'm like, dude, who the hell am I to judge that guy until him? What? He's not a true that I have more respect for that guy now because he taught me like, I was the one, maybe I was bringing him down. You know, maybe that's why that guy, I don't want to hang out with me. Or, you know, you learn a lot about yourself from the way you think about other people in what you just said about the law of attraction, I think is something that most people know about.

But only a few fo people really follow that. You know, if you, if you truly believe in something, you know, what, what you are attracted to is that, which is meant to be for you. Yeah. You know? And even if your, if you're moving or maybe that thing that you think you want isn't exactly. But its in that direction, it's like a lure. You know what I mean? And it's a path that you were being pulled too. Yeah, exactly. What, what do you tell

Speaker 1 (17m 8s): Them? There's multiple paths. Right? And you just got to go to the one that is pulling in that you can, I call it a little T I get like tingles in my body where I know things are right. Like I just know it, like I'll get a tingle or some people it's like a voice in their head kind of sometimes. But like I have random voices. That'll tell me, bro, you should be riding right now. What are you doing? Laying on the couch, watching TV, bro. Get in here, get out and start writing, write force yourself, do something that I feel like that's just a universe helping me get off the couch and start putting my everything into motion.

Speaker 0 (17m 48s): You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Do you think a lot of people have that voice in their head or they just ignore it?

Speaker 2 (17m 52s): Yeah. I think everybody's

Speaker 1 (17m 54s): Got the voice to be honest. Everybody's got that little voice that tells me what to do. Right. A wrong, right. That's the same voice that I see. But everybody sees that voice different.

Speaker 0 (18m 5s): Yeah. It's interesting. Like, like I'm a huge fan of like a mental illness. Yeah. Probably because I'm mentally ill.

Speaker 2 (18m 14s): Yeah.

Speaker 0 (18m 16s): A little flavor of a mental disorders or whatever. And I was reading this book about schizophrenia and schizophrenia for those people who may not know it's these people that hear voices in their head, but the voice told me to do crazy things like you should, you should kill your dog. You should throw your refrigerator off the roof. You know, just, you should Rob this bank and then throw all the money in the ocean. You know? Like just, just crazy stuff. Yeah. And so in this book I was reading, it was a doctor interviewing this man who was very candid and he had asked a patient like I understand there's voices in your head, but why do you do what the voice is?

Tell you to do? It's true. And so the patients says, you know, a doctor, I can, it's difficult for someone who doesn't have that to understand. He goes as someone who has schizophrenia, I could imagine what you must think of a voice in your head, but its not that same voice. He's like what I had in my head as a schizophrenia patient is like the following and the way he described it was this. Imagine somebody's getting in your face, this close, like a nose to nose, eye to eye and saying you are going to kill the dog now and you close your eyes.

You're like, no I'm not. And the voice gets louder and more violent and angry. And so you turn away and you run. But as soon as you turn around and run, there's the guy, nose to nose yelling louder. And it will not go away until you do what that tells you to do. That was a crazy yeah. You know? And it's like, if that, if that is some sort of miswiring in there and like let's say that you and I, and everybody else has the ability to tap into that. You know, God-like voice in the head that can help us do good.

You know, maybe, maybe we can. But like, you know, you said that you have a strategy where you get tingles or you hear that voice a good and you follow and tells you to do a good things. You know what I, I wonder if a wonder if us talking about this now will help other people into that voice. What are you? Yes

Speaker 1 (20m 24s): Sir. I hope so, man. I really do. And there's a big part, like a big influence of mine about all this is a guy named Charlie rocket. I don't know if you've heard of him. He, he like, he, he founded a rapper, two Chainz went along with that style of life and then he was like 300 pounds plus dropped down the one something and then did iron man's.

You just did a bunch of stuff. And that that's my biggest inspiration shoot. What, what you're saying? Well,

Speaker 0 (21m 3s): We were just talking about how, how we heard the voice in our head and then we ended up having inspiration of following that up. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (21m 13s): So I mean like I a actually

Speaker 0 (21m 18s): Yeah, well I know it makes me feel. Yeah, it's, it's, it's amazing too, because that, that brings up another point that I often think about. And it is like, you know, Jordan, Peterson's big on this movie Pinocchio. Right? Like we all saw it as kids. Yeah. And he talks about it as a metaphor. Like Pinocchios a puppet. Was that a real boy, you know? But he goes down into the belly of the whale, which was also a biblical story. Right. And if you think about it Chase, like, and if they think about mile, if I'm honest with myself and I bet if you're honest with yourself, if your dad is honest with himself in your, in our moms are honest with themselves, that we've all been in the belly of the whale.

Oh that every one of us, like, I just have a long talk with my mom today. Like about old times in how things happen and you know, it's those dark times in your life where you're at the very bottom. And you're like, I can't do this. Like what the heck am I doing? And you, you almost lose it. Like you don't, but you almost do. But those are the times when you find out who you are exactly like back your friend, you're talking about Charlie rock and like, here's this guy 300 pounds. He's about to die. What are you going to do? You get a dye, you would start changing the world, throws these things at you in it.

Like it'll hold you down to the bottom in like fight, no fight. No. Okay. You're going to go. You're going to die then. But once you start fighting, you know, you start to develop and maybe that voice in your head is like a muscle. And the more you listen to it, the more you use it, the more it dials in. It's like, oh, okay, I'm getting a bigger, I'm getting stronger. I must be doing the same thing. You know what? You still have to find yourself, find your passion in life, you know? And

Speaker 1 (22m 53s): Yeah. And recently, most recently, I mean stuff hasn't been going my way, the best, like my life hasn't been nowhere near perfect. I did a bunch of stuff in high school, sold some stuff Burkey and did all of that God into. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (23m 12s): And then I guess

Speaker 1 (23m 14s): He went to rehab. I did all that stuff and I come back over here and like most recently I had a girlfriend for three years and that situation was just crazy toxic. We were just, weren't on the same path. We weren't the right people for each other. And then it took a lot to tell myself, okay. And you know, this isn't good. So let's like remove myself from this situation and let's do that.

But it was a little scary because I didn't have a place to live. I didn't have nothing. Yeah. So I got that van. Yeah. I heard a, a Toyota echo with my friend that lives literally right over here, traded in for the van, put a call up in there. Yeah. Slumped in a van for probably like the past four or five months. And it's, it's, it's a struggle. It's like, don't get me wrong. It sucks. It does suck sometimes. Like, you're it it's just a bad situation.

But you got a look at those struggles. Like that's Joe Rogan says you have to be the hero of your own movie. And the way I see a right now is the worst, the bad scenes of a movie. That's what the struggle is. You're just watching the bad scenes of your movie. What would you do if you were the hero model, which you just flip the script, don't even see it as a struggle. Just see it as a something that's gonna, it's gonna become overcome. It's not like impossible.

Nothing's I think everything's possible.

Speaker 0 (24m 52s): Yeah. I agree. 100%. And I, I think like, you know, only someone who has begun to go through what you have gone through or only someone who's been what you've been through can understand what you just said now, you know, it's, there's the language we use is very important. You know, you could sit here and say like, oh, I'm this around that. Or you could say like a, make my own way. I'm not going to go this other way. That society has decided for me, this is what I wanna do.

And this is what I'm going to do. No, sir. You know, there's a, there's a, you're actually in pretty amazing company. When you talk about like people who just got a van and started doing it. Like if you look at Metallica, how long did Metallica live in a van for that? A hit song. Exactly that. But you know what, every other one of the people, their age that are in a band when they quit, they just say that I'm not doing that. I can't do it. I can't do it anymore. There's a bunch of babies, but not those guys do that. Probably wasn't easy for them. Yeah, no, I don't look at Jack Johnson and that guy toured Europe and a van.

Right. And just ruled rent in a van, you know, a green day have your, that song buy green day. That's like Welcome to paradise when they hear it, you'll know it. And it's like, it's a song about these guys. Not making it. And just being like in some grime studio, a partner, which a crack heads, you know, and then all bummed. And then like the second half of the song is like, yeah, this is our house. And we rule this block right here. And what are the sickest band here? And the sickest band there that we just got booked in all these shows.

And like, if you can see that, I get goosebumps thinking about it. Let me ask you this. Have, I can't think of one good movie where I went there and it was just awesome. Things happen into the person.

Speaker 3 (26m 35s): That's a horrible movie. That's a horrible book.

Speaker 0 (26m 37s): No one wants to see that people want to see real life. And I think real life is what you describe a real life is going out and like, I'm going to do this thing. And then all of a sudden you get punched in the face, right? Yeah. Mike Tyson side, the best dude. Right. Everyone's got a plan to take a punch in the face. Yeah. But the story, the book, the hero, the main character, he faces adversity and it's not easy adversity. You lose everything, man. Like you, you, you get separated from the very people you love the most Matt and, and, and you look at them and you're like, dude, am I and hurting these people, are these people hurting themselves?

Cause I mean, I don't even know what's going on, but like, I'm just trying to figure it out me right now. Right. And then all of a sudden, you start listening to that voice in your head, you start falling. When that thing that you knew you had to do, you start getting out of these toxic relationships, you know, in all this, what does this is that the second half of the movie we're like, Hey, do the guys right. And a look at what that thing off. And he said he was gonna do that. You know what, that's the part that I'm in. Right. And that that's the path. That is the path. It's a struggle to stay on the path.

Because all of a, I know for me, when I was younger, I had all those demons call me back. Hey George, what? For me? They never go away. But the voice gets lighter. If that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (27m 54s): Yeah. Or the other voice gets a little heavier. Yeah. That's

Speaker 0 (27m 58s): A great way to put it. Yeah. You know? And, and I think I garden at that all the time and I could, I love all the planet's and I love everything out there. And there's so much you can learn from them. You know, like if you go outside, you're walkway in sometimes in the cracks of the summit and stick a little flower growing, like that's you, when you got up from the, from the handrail, you know, oh, you can't do it like that is adversity. Like, here's this plant growing through a summit. Like, what does that do that? What do you mean? I can't go do this, that right there.

You got a doubt. You got to adapt. You

Speaker 1 (28m 32s): Have to. And that's what life is. If you asked me it is right. Yeah. Nothing's going to be a set in stone. No, nothing's guaranteed for you in life. You just got a roll with the punches and frickin and just be optimistic about it. You have to. Yeah. I mean, don't let the negative energy control right now. What kind

Speaker 0 (28m 52s): Of like, sometimes I think like, I, I, I know I've suffered in the past with being depressed about things or whatever. And I've got some techniques that I use to get myself out of that funk. What, what do you do when you find yourself like being called by those old demons? Or what, what, what do you do when you find yourself kind of like taking that trip to negative town? Do you have some, some techniques you use to put yourself out of that? Or what do you do? Big one

Speaker 1 (29m 16s): Right now for me is Jim a, just try to go to the gym and it just distracts me. It makes me feel good. That makes me mentally, physically, spiritually, all of the above just makes my energy level. They go way higher. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (29m 33s): That's a great plan. I mean, I think that there's tons of evidence that supports, you know, when you're, when you are working out and your body's working well, you, your brain's working well. No, sir. You know, I found that too. I, what, where did you read about the law of attraction and I'm like, what, what was that something you read or do you, did you see something on that? Or, or how did you, where did you find that at? And then when was the first time you found yourself incorporating that in a way?

Speaker 1 (29m 60s): So that would be the, goes back to the Charlie rocket guy. He is big and about the law of attraction, a quantum physics, stuff like that. And then like, I guess like, I mean, just for an example. So I was living in the van and this past week I got a little apartment, a studio apartment. And the day that I signed all my documents, all that, the lady said, she said that she has to show it to somebody else 'cause they want to pay more.

And so, I mean, most people look at that as all dude. Now I have to go look, I'll find another apartment. I'm not going to have a place to live. I'm not a bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Right. But the way I thought of it, I was like, you know what? This is a winning streak. Like it's a win. Like if I don't get this apartment, then there's going to be another door that opens up. It's probably for a good reason. I didn't get this apartment. Like, but I mean, everything worked out the guy so that he would move in later on in a year.

And I'm just been doing month a month, but it's a window and I'm not living in a van, so right. I'm stoked. Right.

Speaker 0 (31m 23s): That's a really well put. And it's a really great frame of mind to do that. You know, it's sometimes I, when I find myself that I do something similar in that, like I always ask myself, what else could this mean? Because ultimately all of us go to this place, like, well, poor me. I did this thing. And you know, these things always happened to me. That was such a negative tone in like, you know, I believe, I believe similarly that what you put out is what you get. And if you put that negative, you're gonna get it back. It's a big the world, a big magnate and you put stuff out, you're going to pull it right back to you.

No, sir. And that, the beautiful thing is, you know, you, you say, look, I just got, I got a D D I got my own place. Now you wouldn't be stoked on this place. If you didn't spend time in the van, you know what I mean? It's like a huge step up. And you're like, okay, yeah. A making it and that. So

Speaker 1 (32m 13s): As part of that, so all those, like the prospective of it, you know what can't be and that victim mentality. And that's what I was in for a very long time. Right. I just thought poor me, poor me, poor me, but I could have changed all of that at any time. Honestly, I just was in a bad mindset then, but I'm doing good now I'm feeling a lot better. And so no more of mentality. Yeah. On the hero. They are the hero, man.

They are the hero of your own

Speaker 0 (32m 44s): Story. Exactly. In, you know, it's so one thing I found as I got older is that you don't even thoroughly understand that people you helped until later in life. Yes. And when you make these decisions like you've made, and the fact that you sit here and say, Hey, man, I wasn't doing it in like the fact that you would admit, Hey, look, a man. I'll do a dumb stuff. No. Like, like I know guys, my age now that never went through what you're going through or what you went through or that what I've gone through, or my lovely wife has gone through, like, I there's people that never go through that now.

And I feel bad for them. Not, not because they haven't had heartache, not cause they haven't seen death. Never cause they faced addiction. I don't feel bad if they haven't seen those things. I feel bad because they've never had the opportunity to overcome those

Speaker 1 (33m 37s): Things like that. Do

Speaker 0 (33m 40s): That. We're staring at you now. Like there's just so much pride. It's like, you're a young man and you've overcome some really big obstacles and not by, you know, no one came over to you in force you to do it. You know what I mean? Like you made a decision, you knew you could've stayed doing things, but you decided, okay, I had enough, what am I doing? Exactly. And to me there's like, what, isn't it interesting? How, like you just said that I made these bad decisions that I could have stayed in this place, but I decided not to.

Can you remember what it was that made you just stop and say, okay, this is enough. Was there a, was there a breaking point or was it a buildup point or what was it exactly or can you remember where you were when you decided enough was enough? Yeah,

Speaker 1 (34m 28s): A, it was a, I felt like I was going insane because the definition of insanity is re expecting a different result off of like the same thing happening or whatever. The same thing kept happening. And I, my mom wanted a monitor or a different result. So I'd put myself back in a situation and tried it again. Same thing happened. And that happened probably like three, four times. And then like most recently, like two months ago, I just know like I did it again.

And I was like, nah, I drank a little too much one night. And I would just those negative energy. I'm like that bad things happen. I noticed that a bad things happened when I drank bad things happened when I did hang out with certain people. And I think it's like, I think he got a notice that repetition of bad things or notice what you need to change. And then like go through with this, don't talk about it and say that you're going to do it.

Like actually hold yourself accountable. Just do it, dude. Yeah. That's

Speaker 0 (35m 40s): Really well put it's really well put it's it's also having the courage to do it. You know, it's easy to stay in that place. It's easy to be like, okay, I'll just be a mediocre forever, but I'll also be unhappy forever. Exactly. A I Y I wonder how much like, okay, so this is a, this is an example of what I mean by looking back. So we've already talked about, you know, somebody, some of like doing the huge hand rails and then crashing, and then you said, well, look, I had to get back up George. Cause that's what I do.

You know, the same is if you look at some of the examples, you've recently said, Hey, I was in this spot. It's like, it's like, your whole life has been like this epic BMX move. And you've been practicing. And all of a sudden it's like, you're in a middle of this crazy triple handrail. What of your life is just a crazy BMX moot and you fell off. And that was the point where things weren't going well, but you said, OK, wait a minute. I have to get back up. You know, it's the same strategy you use for the handrail that you've applied to your life now and it's working.

Speaker 2 (36m 40s): Yeah. And I didn't, I haven't even realized that until now, but that's pretty cool. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (36m 46s): Yeah. It's, it's, you know, that, that's another thing. When you say that you, you hear this voice or you, you understand that you can see examples of like that in your life. You know, I've been toying around with this idea where there's this new kind of language and this language is that in your life, like what you see in your life, you probably see it everywhere. And then they give you an example of what I mean in my life, like at my work, I started seeing all these people, like not standing up for themselves

Speaker 1 (37m 19s): And it really bothered me. And then I was out

Speaker 0 (37m 21s): On my route and they was like, this kid that looks at a store and he's like, ah, there's a guy goes, comes in and yelled at me. And I'm like, do I stand up for yourself? How are you a big dummy? You know? And then there was another customer that was like, Hey, my neighbor comes up to that. My neighbor plays his music too loud. So I went over there and he yelled at me, you know? And so like, like Chase, like, it was just like, the world was screaming at me. No one's standing up for themselves. And so I thought about that and I'm like, what does that mean? You know? And then I thought, well, maybe I'm seeing this in my life because it's something that I need to work on.

Maybe, maybe the world is like, Hey, whoever's looking, this is something that would need to help with right now. And if you can see this, I want you to change it. And I'm like, wow, meaning a me change. What am I in? Like, John of God, would you want me to do a world? And then, you know what I thought to myself, well, you know, let's just do a God. He says, God. He says, if you want to make change in the world, you'd be that change that. So what I did that when I was at work, I'm like maybe the people that work there not standing up and stuff, cause they don't know how.

So maybe if I stand up for myself, you know, maybe don't maybe I could be the role mop and that at work, I stood up in front of a and I said, Hey everybody, this is ridiculous. You know what, we're better than this. We're not going to take this anymore. Do round of applause. You know? And other people are like, pat me on the back. And I was like, oh, how's that feel pretty good? And then I start hearing stories about a guy standing up and I'm like, oh, okay, this, this, yeah, this is the, this is what we should be doing. You know? And, and I really believe that each of us sees the things that we need to work on.

There's some higher power telling you, Hey, chase, I'm going to show you stuff. This is your thing that you work on. All of these things, you'll see that stuff that you need to work on yourself. And I want you to be the example of it. I want you to Chase Hatton to be the example of a guy that follows his passion, that turned everything around and became the guy he wanted to be. And when you do that, dude in a bit monotonous, the fliers up that changed

Speaker 3 (39m 16s): Hands, the man, you know what I mean?

Speaker 0 (39m 19s): But like, that's the true inspiration. And I, I really think sitting here talking to you like a, you validated that theory. And I, I just, I think it's amazing that I'm, I'm stoked for you, dude. Yeah. What, what are some, what are some goals you have set up? I found that setting a goal is a good way to keep yourself on that path. Have you set any goals for the next couple of years

Speaker 1 (39m 40s): Or five or two? Oh, what a part of what I do is I write goals every day. I write like kind of like manifestations, like stuff like that. I'd do it every single day. All throughout the day. I take notes of all my mind, my tingles and all that site. Right. But what, what is that

Speaker 0 (40m 1s): Just as far as goals, like you have like a, like you've laid out some daily goals that you do to understand where you are. And then you have mentioned BMX being in the future. Like where, where, what are some things that, you know, for a fact you'll be doing in two years, five years in 10 years, what do they,

Speaker 1 (40m 21s): I'm definitely going to be owning my own business. I'm going to be a CEO of my own business or company something that hopefully it will be revolved around BMX. Right. I've also have been thinking about changing the entire look of BMX, like a, you watch NFL and stuff like that. Like football at one point was just dudes throwing a ball at each other in hitting each other. Right. And somebody saw a guy. I can market those people that are going to love watching this and that everybody's going to love it, rides adults, whatever.

So I want to figure out a medium ground like that for BMX where every it's like a apical, like every, anybody would watch it. A little kids will watch it and be entertained by it. Like S like creates some kind of a game with it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (41m 13s): What kinds of sounds to me that you might already have that, like, you know, who wouldn't want to watch like a Sunday BBQ with families that a six skate park, what do you have your, let's say you have your own podcast or your channel, or, you know, and you're going around from FA people that are you're family that you've known since you were a kid's. And like, you know, if you look at these reality shows, you see people that have gone through the show or whatever, but wouldn't it be amazing to have video evidence of like a young kid doing his first bar spin.

And then a few years later, that kid showing a younger kid how to do that. Yeah. That would be sick.

Speaker 1 (41m 52s): Yeah. That's a good idea. And then thinking of that, what I mean, that would be, you've

Speaker 0 (41m 56s): Been doing it. They just need the words you've already been. Maybe another thing I'd like to think is that you're already doing the thing you're supposed to be doing in. Sometimes we're so caught up in the future, thinking about like, you know what, I should be this thing that should be, that the truth is right now, you're creating the magic. You're doing the things you're supposed

Speaker 1 (42m 13s): To, you know, like

Speaker 0 (42m 16s): It, I don't know. It's just so poetic for me to think about you doing that. Like knowing, knowing like you have an awesome family and do you use that a strong guy and you're so passionate about BMX. Like, you really have a rare ability to shine light and highlight something you love. And it doesn't have to be in the way that it's ever been done before. And it makes me so proud of you to hear you say, I want people to see BMX in a way they never have no, sir. Like that, that's the beauty of something.

And like only you chase like that. Maybe that you're calling me, that the world telling you that, Hey, that what you want. Like, that's a pretty beautiful light. Imagine showing the world a flower that would have never seen before

Speaker 2 (42m 58s): That perspective.

Speaker 1 (43m 0s): Yeah. That's, that's my perspective on everything. Like a fund that like business wise, if I want to start a business, I'm going to find a need and I'm a fill it. Or if I don't find a need, I'm going to find something that they didn't even need that day. They are, I thought that they needed. Yeah. It's just, yeah, but I'm going to be starting something up. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (43m 22s): I think that's a great idea. And I, I, you know, the opening line, not that I think I don't really love Steve jobs or whatever, but the opening line of his biography by Walter Isaacson and says this men who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, usually are the men who changed the world

Speaker 2 (43m 46s): And it's, they like, those are the guys that hop out of this,

Speaker 1 (43m 49s): The normal, like the social normal, you know what I mean? Like the guys that like, they don't want to work a nine to five, making somebody else rich for the rest of their life. They're going to go out and hustle and get to what they wanna do. And you know what I mean? Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (44m 7s): I, I really think that there's something there, you know what I have this idea and I'm kind of a coward cause they don't really follow my idea. But the idea is that the most beautiful thing that you can teach someone younger than you is the ultimate goal of life. And the ultimate goal of life is to live a life worth living. Yes, sir. And that comes from never taking a job for money that comes from being honest with yourself. And it's the third and probably the most difficult, a beautiful part is to understand what you just said.

And that is to understand that your life has a masterpiece and you're the hero of your story. You're the main character. And only you can create the ending of the movie that you want. Like if you want to, you know, find Cinderella and put the glass slipper on, or then you better start taking a, that sandal around that. You're

Speaker 2 (45m 1s): Not going to be fine. I was sitting on the couch,

Speaker 1 (45m 4s): She would go out and meet girls in and find that a syndrome,

Speaker 0 (45m 7s): Right. Make maybe a Cinderella is the, the, you know, S shining light on BMX in a way that no one has, like, if we think about, if we just revisit that avenue, okay. You know, we had talked about the Hawaii BMX, you know, not really being on the, on the international map as far as a hotspot for a BMX in, but maybe that's just because Hawaii is so beautiful. And Hawaii has an idea of, I really think that a Hawaii, like there's some something so powerful, beautiful here that the, that the spirit of Hawaii just riff, tries really hard to stop commercialization.

Like she hates it. She's like, this is so disgusting for people to commercialize this. You're not going to do it here, but she will like, you know, when she finds someone she loves or someone, if you find someone worthy of who she believes in, she will back them with everything. And I think if you were to shine a light on the family orientation of BMX and highlight like the value that it has brought to your life and like, like you could make the argument, I think that BMX saved your life.

All right. Do all of a dark times w like that was the one thing you had, you know? Yeah,

Speaker 1 (46m 20s): Yeah, definitely did. You said that I was on a couch, right. And all, how many times that sir.

Speaker 0 (46m 27s): And like, why not? Maybe that's the thing that maybe that's a message that other kids need to hear to hear your story so they can get off the couch, you know, maybe that's the thing that helps them too, that I know that. Yeah. But that's what I mean, that you don't really understand where you're influencing until you would make the most of yourself. Exactly. You know, but like, I just think it's amazing, you know, and it blows my mind. I'm, I'm super stoked to, to, to talk to you about it. Like what, what are on, did you ever think that you would be where you are right now at the age of 22?

Speaker 1 (47m 0s): No. No, no. I mean, even now a way, even when I was in rehab, I, I told myself while I was in there, I said, I'm not, I'm going to come back out. And that was back then. I was 21. No, that was what I was 20. I didn't even turn 21. So I was like, how am I not going to, how am I going to go back out there? I turn 21 and a drink and do all that stuff. Yeah. But yeah. Right. It's

Speaker 0 (47m 28s): It, it's a everything in moderation, you know? And sometimes I know for me, like I spent a lot of time being a dummy. You can ask my wife, she'll tell you, in fact, she might even tell you that still a dumb, you know, but you know, the only, sometimes we're so afraid of what we look like, or we're so afraid of making mistakes that we don't even try. And like, how do you know how far you can go unless you really push it now? And it's that same. Yeah. Right. Yeah. If you look at like all of, some of the most aggressive Starz, they have some of the hardest fault.

Cause it's in there in nature to push themselves to be a drinking or B, a plane or B a writing or B, it surfing all of them. They are, they're the best in whatever they do. I'm gonna be the best surfer on a drink, the most beer, you know what I mean? I'll do that most drugs, you know, whatever it is, they're gonna be the best in sometimes be in the best. That means being in the worst.

Speaker 2 (48m 24s): All right. So most of them more than that,

Speaker 0 (48m 28s): But if you could identify that about your personality. Okay. Okay. Wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (48m 32s): I think I know a big part. That's a whole thing. Yeah. That's all right.

Speaker 0 (48m 37s): For me. I don't think I knew that I was who I was 30, you know? And that, it just, it's awesome to talk to somebody. I think I'm talking to a younger version of myself right now. That's true. Yeah. And I a M trigger, I it's, it's interesting too, to a go over it in a kind of revisit as talking to you. I feel like I'm revisiting some times in my life where I had been Susan and tough things in tried to get out of 'em and find I couldn't get out of 'em and

Speaker 1 (49m 8s): What he did, what he did. Yes, sir. He did.

Speaker 0 (49m 10s): I think we were speaking earlier and I had mentioned to you that everything you're going through now and everything you will go through is necessary, you know, and, and we just talked about it. Like they're all a stepping stone is like fall and coming off the hand rail, it's a lesson in there that is, you know, and it's re in relationships, you know, there's lessons. And the fact that you realized maybe you were in a relationship that wasn't that good, you know, it takes a lot of work to understand it wasn't that good.

It takes even more work to understand why it wasn't that good. And it takes even more work to understand how to not repeat that. Yeah. And if you figured that out and tell me how to fix that, because I find myself, you know, struggling sometimes that I'm lucky, I'm lucky to have to have found a, a woman that loves me in and wants to be with me. And, but it's, you know, relationships are, are fascinating and beautiful, but really, really, really, really hard.

And that's, you know, and it's, it's really hard. And so it's kind of a roll the dice, you know, and, and people change and life changes. I think it's so important to find something you're passionate about and really understand who you are before you can even attempt to try to become someone else. Right. Yeah,

Speaker 1 (50m 40s): Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (50m 44s): It is. It's huge. It is huge. What are, so is there a chance we're going to be getting a Chase Hatton podcasts pretty soon? Or what have you thought about any names for the podcast? What do you got?

Speaker 1 (50m 56s): Not, not yet. Not yet. No, sir. All right. I need to start brainstorming.

Speaker 0 (50m 60s): Yeah. Yeah. Well, and when you're writing your stuff, that in your journal every day, you know what I mean? Yeah. In, and you know, if, if you're doing a vid cast or something to know, you know what I have learned because I've done, I've done some live videos and my videos that seem to get a lot of, a lot of views just because of the scene behind me. Okay. And, you know, so if it's landscapes be at the beach, or sometimes I'll try to do some live dives or I'll go check turtles or something. Okay. Those seem to be, they seem to do really well. Yeah. And I could imagine if you had the background of Hawaii with like the beauty of BMX in, you know, or

Speaker 1 (51m 33s): Like, I dunno in my mind right now, what I'm picturing his, so they set up a lights out manana. Okay. And they have a generator. Yeah. And all that stuff. Like what if I had a little desk set up by the skate park, I would dudes airing while I'm doing a podcast and all of that background, it just everybody's shredding and all of that

Speaker 0 (51m 55s): Amazing. That would be awesome. That would be amazing. And then you already have that, like they already have the website, you know what I mean? So that you can work with them.

Speaker 1 (52m 3s): Yeah. So yeah,

Speaker 0 (52m 5s): I would I'm I would be mindful that when things get popular wolves start to come around, you know what I mean? And you will start to get that commercialisation and some of that may be good, but yeah, like all families, when somebody wins the lotto, people start getting mad. Yeah. But that, that just something to be aware of, you know? And I think that if you could keep it at the level you want, and that sounds like you already have a pretty awesome vision, I think that's amazing.

And I think they should totally do that. Like, that's a great idea. You know what? It probably only comes from you. I think great ideas are born at a great tragedy and I don't think you'd be where you are if you hadn't gone through what you did. And I don't think you'd have these ideas in mind that you

Speaker 1 (52m 53s): Had been through that. Yeah. We're all right.

Speaker 0 (52m 56s): So that, that seems a pretty good, I, I, I hope to see that one coming soon. And then what about as far, you were, you were doing some music for a while. Are you still doing any and that kind of stuff that

Speaker 1 (53m 6s): Not as much into the music scene? Yeah. No, that was very, that was a, a hostile scene and yes, sir. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (53m 14s): That scene, you know, when I was younger, I was a club promoter,

Speaker 1 (53m 18s): Like a local celebrity. What do you know what, like

Speaker 0 (53m 21s): There's no loyalty, no a loyalty, sir. A lot of fun, but it's, it's not, it's not, it's not something that you can do a long-term

Speaker 1 (53m 31s): Exactly. It's not a sustainable lifestyle. It's really not. No,

Speaker 0 (53m 35s): But just being in that, you've got to see some cool stuff

Speaker 1 (53m 37s): And yeah. They got to experience and all that. What he did, all that was cool. Yeah.

Speaker 0 (53m 43s): I think that's a pretty successful podcast right here, sir. So we're going to end it right away. What is the name of that site again, that people can find you at? And some of the people they can go

Speaker 1 (53m 52s): To a ride high, R I D E H i.com. And you can see everything that goes on with BMX in Hawaii, through there, or even search up the hashtag ride high on Instagram. That was probably the best location for you to find all their information.

Speaker 0 (54m 13s): All right. We'll do it again soon. And thanks for coming over.