Speaker 0 (0s): Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the TrueLife podcast. I am happy to be talking to you today. We've got a good show for you. I want to give you a quick update on my new book, which was being called the structure of experience. However, I'm kind of leaning towards the terror before the sacred and in that spirit, I would like to give you a little old taste, little sample of what you can expect to hear.

Here we go. Okay. In order to set up this small little tasty sample for you, I want you to think about a snail shell or better yet a Nautilus shell. So let me try to paint you a picture. Imagine taking a large snail shell and just cutting it right down the middle. And as you look down at the cross section of the snail set shell, you begin to see a series of patterns.

Okay. Got it. Are you thinking about it? Okay. I'm going to jump into a little sample here for you. Notice it's fractal nature. It structure reveals repeated patterns of similarly irregular lines, but progressively smaller dimensions. The image is astonishingly beautiful in its rich detailed simplicity. If you really focus, you can begin to understand the concept of what phylo Judeo has called a more perfect logos.

The imagery speaks to us through the voice of creation, a type of synesthesia, the melodic fractal language of nature's rhythmic harmony whispering. I exist in all that exist. Are you curious about how a shell of that nature can be formed? I was walk with me through the hallways of always as I detailed the lifecycle of a snail shell. And after we will talk about the snail shell that you live in a protocol, this is the foundation for the basic soft shell that all snails are born since all snails hatch from calcium dense eggs and their innate instincts, drive them to eat the egg shell.

After they hatch, we should not be surprised that it has calcium carbonate at their shells that their shells are made up of. This is also the reason that they are constantly devouring. The spinach in Greensburg vegetables in your garden. These Yoda light crawlers are forever hunting for any and every plant based food that contains this essential dietary ingredient. It is important to note that the patterns on the snail shell are often a direct reflection of his diet.

Anyone who has spent time in a tropical environment can tell you of their peculiar beauty as the snail shell reaches better yet. As the snail reaches maturity, the basic shell that which it was born with becomes the first link in the repetitive unfolding spiral pattern. It will be the first set of in-stock lines on which the rest of its poetic life will be built upon similar to how the first trickle of water from our glacier will be the path on which future melting ice will flow.

The purpose of the snail shell is very diverse. One way of thinking about it is as a little snail house, it is a house in which the snail is born into and cannot be separated from it is kind of like your gender, race or class as a modern day human being, which is a great segue into the snail shell in which each individual finds themselves living in today. Have you ever heard the phrase history doesn't repeat, but it definitely rhymes.

Think about that phrase. Now think about the image of the snail show we spoke of earlier. Think about the story of the snail shell. Think about the melting glacier from the previous section. Now I think now I want you to think about your daily routine. Mine is something like this. 5:00 AM, wake up, wash my face, brush my teeth, go downstairs, make breakfast for my wife, my daughter and myself, six 30, leave the house, drive my daughter to school.

It's roughly about an hour commute, seven 30 with my daughter safely dropped off at school. I drive to work. 9:00 AM begin my Workday, which consists in average of 10 hours a day, 7:00 PM. Leave work commute, home 8:00 PM, arrive home. Tell my wife, I love her. Take a shower, eat a light dinner, 10 30, go to bed. This is my schedule. Monday through Friday, day after day, week after week, year after year, your daily pattern may be different depending on where you live, your age or gender or your social status.

However chances are you do have a daily pattern, a series of repeating events that lead you to the unfolding reality. That is your life, your snail shell, the fractal nature will the fractal nature of your reality. Similar to how a silk worm spins its web and gets caught in it. So to do we spin our web or build our shell and get caught in it. I want to share with you a passage from ancient scriptures that I feel best illustrates the poetic beauty that is nature's fractal language.

Perhaps this concept is best captured in the Mojave. Machias according to the tradition, I am space. I am the sun. I am the directions above and below. I am the gods. I am the demons. I am all beings. I am darkness. I am the earth. I am the ocean. I am the dust, the wind, the fire in all this world.

I am omnipresent. How can there be anything but me, me, the spirit, the world exists in me. The self, the infinite consciousness, even as a reflection, seems to exist in a mirror. I am the fragrance and flowers, the light in radiance. And even in that light, I am the experience. Whatever mobile or immobile beings exist in this universe, I am their Supreme truth or consciousness free from conceptualization.

I am the very essence in all things in the universe, just as butter exists in milk and liquidity exists in water, even so as the energy of consciousness, I exist in all that exists. What do you guys think? Powerful, right? That's something that I try to listen to before I go to bed. And if you find yourself having a difficult day or just want something to meditate on in the, in the evening to wind down, I highly recommend that particular excerpt from the Mojave Machias VIN, Donta tradition.

It's something that'll serve you well and potentially even plant the seeds for greatness. Those are the Mojave hockey is big ideas. And I can't tell you how big those ideas are. I hope you get to check them out a little bit. Well, that's the intro. I want it to also speak to you today about an incredible interview. I have coming up. It's with Dr. Buchanan, Dr.

Buchanan is the author of a phenomenal new book called our moral fate. And he argues in this book about the evolution and the escape from tribalism. You guys is going to blow your mind. It's a big book. I'm not going to lie to you. It's a tome, it's like 635 pages. And I'll tell you a little bit about it, but first let me tell you a little bit about him. He's the former James B. Duke professor of philosophy at university, currently a research professor at philosophy of philosophy at the university of Arizona.

The guy is an intellectual giant. And if you get a chance, you should pick up his book. It's called our moral fate evolution and the escape from tribalism. I want to talk a little bit about, about it. You know, it's I read a little bit, I just got it today. And I wanted to go ahead and bring up some points so that you guys can think about what it is this guy's going to talk about, or if you have any questions, send them to me. You can send them to my email, George Monty at gmail.com.

And I will try to work them into the interview. I'm gonna give you the little blurb here is tribalism, the political and cultural divisions between us and them. Is it an inherent part of our basic moral psychology, many scientists linked tribalism and morality, arguing that the evolved moral mind is tribalistic. Any escape from tribalism. According to this thinking would be partial and fragile because it goes against the grain of our nature.

In this book, Alan Buchanan operas, a counter-argument the moral mind is highly flexible, capable of both tribalism in deeply inclusive moralities, depending on the social environment, in which the moral mind operates. We cannot be morally tribalistic by nature. Buchanan explains because quite recently, there has been a remarkable shift away from tribalism and toward inclusiveness as growing numbers of people acknowledge that all human beings have equal moral status, and that at least some non-humans also have moral standing.

These are what you can in terms the two great expansions of moral regard. And yet he argues moral progress is not inevitable, but depends partly on whether we have the good fortune to develop as moral agents in a society that provides the right conditions for realizing our moral potential. But morality need not depend on luck. We can take charge of our moral fate by deliberately shaping our social environment by engaging in scientifically informed moral institutional design.

For the first time in human history, human beings can determine what sort of morality is predominant in their societies and what kinds of moral agents they are. Sounds pretty impressive, right? I was just kind of working my way through the preface in scanning through a few of the first chapters here. I'll tell you what it really makes me think. The very beginning, it starts off like the relationship between tribalism and morality.

And he asked a question is the relationship between tribalism and Raleigh? Is it, is that innate? Like, do we have to be tribal? Are we born that way? Is it our basic moral psychology to be tribalistic? There's a lot of people that'll say yes, there's a lot of people that think some people are born conservative and some people are born liberal. And it depends on your, the way you were born.

And if that's the case, he's saying we're all fucked. He says, listen, if that's the case, then you know why even try. It's just Darwin. It's just dog, eat dog, the top survives. And it there's plenty of evidence to support that theory. However, that's not what he argues. What he argues is that we, as human beings are a direct reflection are more, our basic moral compass is a direct reflection of the very society we live in.

And it's the social environment that shapes our morality. And some of the evidence just in the preface that he gives to back this up is the fact that we have come so far from the dark ages that we have, according to Steven Pinker, gotten away from a lot of slavery that we have had less wars. Now I have not read Steven Pinker's book.

Betal better angels of our time. I've heard it's really good. However, I haven't gone through it. And I don't know if I agree with all Steven Pinker's ideas about it. Steven Pinker says that we've eliminated large parts of slavery. However, if you look at the global slavery index today, there's still 45 million people in slavery. You know, there's, there's a list of countries from North Korea, India, Uzbekistan, China, Russia, Congo, Pakistan Sudan, north, or the Dominican Republic, Yemen, Iraq, Indonesia, Philippines, Guatemala, Nigeria, not to mention the Epstein islands of the world.

Like there is tons of slavery still. Sometimes I think Steven Pinker is a guy that wants to just say the world one way and then have everybody believe him. I don't thoroughly trust that guy for some reason. And I am a truck driver. So you should probably, we should probably give more credence to the Harvard professor instead of the truck driver. The guy's probably researched way more than me, but I just don't believe him.

I don't know why I'm just you. I don't believe the guy that being said, Dr. Buchanan is a intellectual giant. And I want you to think about this concept of morality is shaped by the very society in which you live by the social environment, I think is what he puts morality of the people is shaped by the social environment.

You know, it, it makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. He also says that the progression of morality is not something that's guaranteed. It is possible to regress. And I would argue that that's the, one of the battles we're seeing right now in the world of this pandemic today, are we progressing morally or are we regressing morally? You could kind of make an argument for both. I think on some level, the system of morality that was happening prior to COVID-19 was this superficial sort of mechanistic ideology that has stripped Humana, the stripped humanity away from us.

So I, I think prior to COVID-19, we were on a path to strip morality from the human being. And I think there's a large part of the world that wants that. I think that there's a large portion of people in critical positions of power that don't give one fuck about morality. I think that it's much easier for people in positions of authority to see people as numbers.

It's much easier to squeeze production out of a number than it is a 52 year old guy who's been divorced, has two kids and has a bad knee, right? It's very difficult to squeeze that last bit of production from a single mom whose kids are trying to learn online. If you can think of her as employee number oh 7 4 2 6 3, and the people on the top have, it seems to me found a way or better yet have been following down the path that may have been paved for them.

And that is the regression that I see, right? I talked earlier about in the last, in the last podcast about a pyramid, the people at the top think that they're the person that's in charge of everything, but those people that are on the top would be absolutely nothing without the people on the bottom. And you're seeing the base of the pyramid be eroded. And I, I agree with Dr. Buchanan that the environment shapes the morality, because what happens when the people on the top, see the people on the bottom is numbers.

The people on the bottom stop caring, they stop going the extra mile. They stop caring about what it is. They do that. If you're not rewarded for doing a job well done, then the only reason you're doing it is for money. And when you're only doing something for money, you're doing it.

Half-heartedly I believe let's take it a step further. Let's take it a step further here. Let's think about the environment of morality. How has it shaped?

How is the social environment shaped? Well it's unfortunately it's shaped by a tiny minority. Those that wield the most power and influence shape the conditions of the social environment today. Who do we see? We see this new oligarch class, this new class of billionaires. They've probably that billionaire class has always been there.

However, now they've just taken their mask off, right? They've always been there. In fact, do you remember that song putting on the Ritz remember that it used to be back in New York in the, the days of the railroads, those guys be walking around with their fucking manacles and Monica, whatever you call those little monopoly, eyepieces right.

Them and their top hats and Rockefellers handing out dimes to people. And then all of a sudden, you know, they're walking around under the Kings of the world and then people like, Hey, look at these rich dummies started attacking them. And they learned real quick, Hey, maybe we should move to the background, maybe who shouldn't be out here, flashing all our cash. And they've gotten so tired of being in the background and operating that these dummies have come out again and put on their top hats and their monocles.

And they're dancing

Speaker 1 (20m 47s): Around in central square, you know, and the same thing's going to happen, right? The same thing's going to happen. It just took a few generations for these dummies to forget, Hey, if you're a criminal, maybe you should not be out here dancing around and telling everybody you're a criminal. You know what I mean? Like the arrogance, the balls on these guys look at, bayzos hanging out with his high-dollar hooker, right? The, who is that?

Who is that hooker? He's with all the time, the one he left, his wife for their guys are running around. They look at me like that's that I think is creating such a horrible social environment. Like here is someone who's responsible for hundreds of thousands of employees. And he's like, I don't give a fuck about my employees. I'm trying to figure out how to pay them less. Like how, how long can that stand?

Right? How much money can you just pay lobbyists to pay off politicians? So the politicians don't do anything to improve the work areas. Well, that's been going on for a long time. It's been going on for a long time. And I think it's coming to a crescendo where you know, you're going to see the people on the bottom. Like you already see it right now. Look at the nurses, not showing up for work. Look at the doctors, not showing up for work. Look at the truck.

Drivers, not showing up for work. You could argue that COVID the pandemic has caused a quote unquote great resignation. Or you could argue that the living standards, the lack of morality, the lack of the people on the very top to show one eye odor of respect for the guy that gets up and works 14 hours a day, that has three kids. They could barely put food on the table and that person doesn't have to be black, white, Mexican.

That's the majority of people on the bottom. I don't care what color you are. There's a lot of people that are barely scratching by because the people on the top constantly look for ways to squeeze production so they can have a bigger bonus so they could pay the shareholders. And there has been plenty of opportunity. There's plenty of things we can do. One thing we can do. Why don't we pass or better yet? Why don't we just reinstate the law that says no profits during times of war simple, right?

Everything that's sold in times of war, a 2% profit tops, everything else goes into Medicare. Everything else goes into social security. You see the lobbyists, the defense contractors, which now is big tag and the pharmaceutical industry. They went ahead and privatized all those profits. What's the point of you and me paying taxes.

When the government has prince that money, you see, they can print all the money. They just print it. And they give it to all their criminal friends on wall street, because they're too big to fail. But you, somebody that gets up and goes to work every day. You're not big enough. In fact, we've got to take more of your stuff because how can these people possibly continue to live their lifestyle on their yachts on St Bart's and getting all their hookers and doing all their blow?

How can they do that? If you're not giving them more money, don't you understand? They have to print all the money. They have to print trillions of dollars just to keep their same bonuses. Now they have to do their buybacks and stocks just in order to keep up their, you know, their rate of expansion, their rate of growth, right? We it's imperative that we spend $300 million every six months and send that off to Afghanistan.

Even though there's food shortages here, even though Flint doesn't have clean water, we have to give up all the water rights to Nestle so that they can suck the water out of the ground for free. In fact, in California, the government pays Nestle to suck the water out and then sell it back to you. The privatization. See that's what a lot of the people in positions of authority want. Now they feed you this line of bullshit.

Like we have to prioritize everything because government sucks. It's goddamn government. You know, these damn government people, it's these government regulations that are a problem, man, armed you guys tired of government. We know who's doing that. The people that say that are the people in positions of authority that are sick and tired of losing a few dimes, have to pay a few nickels. Hey, here's a few shekels. I can't believe I have to pay this 12 cents that could go into my pocket and what they don't understand.

Here's what gives me about these big business guys or any of these dumb ass. This are talking about how difficult regulations are. Guess what? You big dummy. You think you're gonna get rid of government and it's going to be better. What's going to replace government. The corporations are going to replace government, right? Here's what these guys don't get to. This is what, and tell me if you think I'm wrong. So business hates government because government puts rules on business.

Now I'm not saying there's not some dumb regulations that couldn't be chopped. I'm not saying that there's not grift and there's political cowards. And like the corruption is there. I get you. But I ask you, would the world be better if it was run by corporations? Because that is a big part of what's going to be crammed down our throat in this COVID-19 slash technocratic world. That's being pushed. So here's what I tell the business people. Yeah. Hey, I'm sorry.

You have a boss. I'm sorry. You have regulations. But if you hate it so much, what's why do you guys have regulations for your employees? You know what, if you, as an employee, you go into your work and say, listen, should ed. You guys have too much regulations, man. I want to be able to come in whenever I want. And I'm only going to work a few hours and all this crappy, you guys should put all the safety. I'm not going to do any of that. I'm just going to do the, I'm going to do this thing the way I want to do it. Okay? You go in as an employee until your boss said, he'll tell you to fucking you're fired.

Get out of here. So what's wrong with the government telling business, fuck you. You're fired. Get out of here. You see what happens. When the, when the Wolf takes over the henhouse, everybody gets slaughtered except the Wolf. He gets fat and happy. And that's what these big corporations want. They want to be done with government. They're sick and tired of being told what they can and can't do. And what they don't understand is that they are, they are sharpening the knife.

That's going to kill them. And let me, let me just, let me tell you what I mean. So they're doing a pretty good job. They're probably going to make government fail. They're going to blame everything on government. Everything's Biden's fault. Everything's Trump's fault. You know, it's it's it's AOC is fault. It's Ted Cruz. It's all the government's fault, right? That's by design. But I think it was John Dewey, who said, government is the shadow cast upon people by business.

And look at these people we have as political entities, they might as well be political prisoners. What Biden comes in for four years, you have elected officials for two, six, maybe 12 years. What about all the staffers? What about all the secretaries? Those people are there for life. Those are the people run and shit. That's the deep state. These are the people making decisions. Do you think that you have a wonderful how like, man, it doesn't matter if it's Bush, if it's Clinton, if it's Obama, if it's Trump, if it's Biden, they'll have the same foreign policy.

That's right. So you as Americans, you're not allowed to vote on policy. That's not for you. He don't worry about what we're doing over there. Don't worry about all this money we're stealing from you and given to our criminal friends in middle east. Don't worry about that. See, we, as the government slash corporations are building some pipelines and we're putting our kids on the boards, will beacon extract all the resources and cut out. You pesky middlemen in by pesky middleman. I mean you citizens, all you dummies out here, you guys just do the work and give us the money.

Like that's what's happened in there. It's that corruption. Let me tell you what I think is going to happen. You can already see it. So we've covered it. The business people, they hate the government because of regulations. However, government regulations are the same as rules for employees. Does that make sense? Businesses have a boss called government employees have a boss called their management, but you know, what's happening.

As soon as big business gets rid of government, it's going to be the corporate. And then the employees, except that, you know, corporations, don't like paying employees. So they want to have independent contractors, right? You don't got to pay those people benefits. We want to do the whole Uber model. And it's, it's kind of poetry, emotion, because what's going to happen is they're going to see themselves cutting their bottom line. Like we, don't got to pay these people any, they're going to pay many benefits.

That means more profit to the bottom line. But when they do that, they're undermining their own profit system. Right? Look at people that are, let's say this, this new evolution of content creators like these people, let's say you have a YouTube channel or you're a content creator on Facebook or something. And you get 70% or 60%. And the platform gets 40%.

All of a sudden what's happening. Well, the government is getting squeezed out. Corporations are taking over. And at first, you know, as a content creator, there's not a whole lot of rules where you could do whatever you want. You could say what you wanted to say. You could make rusts, just stupid videos about flat earth and all of a sudden people, they started seeing people, Hey man, there's a lot of negative attention on these pharmaceutical companies. Hey man, there's all these videos about how we're stealing stuff.

Hey man, there's all these whistleblowers out. Let's shut these people down. And so they do, they started increasing censorship, like 500 fold. Hey, let's get rid of all these people talking about our lies. Hey, let's get rid of all these people talking about how shitty the pharmaceutical companies are. Hey, let's get rid of all this negative vaccine stuff and they do. And then all of a sudden, the people underneath no longer work on that platform. Now it's slow at first, but you can see all kinds of new platforms popping up.

You see, they have sown the seeds of their own destruction and you can see it in real time. And they, I don't know why they can't see it. YouTube, Google, this whole new technology is the new government. But the people that create all their content are going to eat their fucking lunch. They're done. They're done. They have injected themselves with cancer, a self eating cancer.

That's going to destroy the host. It was built in their image. And that my friends, I think takes us full circle to what Dr. Buchanan is saying about the very social environment in which we live. You see, it's like a, it's like a record. It goes round and round and round and gets smaller and smaller and smaller. It's kind of like watching your toilet being flushed, right? The water goes around and around and it gets smaller and smaller till Bush goes down the drain.

And I think that's a pretty good, I hope I hope I'm not butchering it. Like I, that's what I think at the social environment right now. And I, I, I really got to get deeper into this book because he starts talking about how we get out of this system. He starts explaining why we're better than this. And he's going to give us some conclusions and some ideas and hopefully a roadmap that we can all take a good look at ourselves and say, look, we're all guilty. We have all, you know, contributed to this lack of morality.

We have all contributed to putting our heads in the sand and not noticing that the person next to me needs help. We've all committed that sin and we're all guilty. Some of us more than others. However, the time to place blame is it's far gone. And I think that the responsibility is going to be on the people that have the most. And right now, if you look at things like the world economic forum or the oligarchs, the billionaires they don't give, I don't think they care one bit about the, the welcome gap.

I think they pay it lip service. I think that the, the starting to understand that the bigger the income gap, the more they're in trouble, because look, I live in Hawaii and I'm seeing an influx of billionaires come out to the islands. I mean, you have mark Zuckerberg who just bought up a gargantuan chunk of Kauai and he keeps buying more. I got to tell you the locals over there hate that guy. Like that guy has to have armed security all the time.

And you know, it, it's in a way it's super funny to me because here's this guy that is doing everything he can to get away from this behemoth that he created. Like he is all about just destroying privacy and trying to get everybody's shit. While for him, he tries to create this bubble of security and privacy for himself. What he doesn't understand is that he's creating his own prison. Like he literally lives in a prison.

It's a nice prison. I give you that. But you know, if you want to get away, he really should have read his history. Same thing for Larry Ellison. He bought like the island of Kauai and these dummies, they should really read up on what happened to captain cook. For those of you that don't know captain cook, you know, according to, if you read the history of, if you read like the white guy history or the British history, you will learn that captain cook discovered the Hawaiian islands, but that's kind of like saying Christopher Columbus discovered Mexico, right?

There was people there. He didn't discover anything. He came here, he slotted a bunch of people. Captain cook for his record. He sailed here and he didn't get to leave because they killed him and they cooked them in the Atum. They gave him a chance, but he does fucked everybody over the same way. Mark Zuckerberg, the same way, Ellison, the same way. All these billionaires, Oprah did it.

So many billionaires over here. And I don't think they get it, man. I think there's a lot of people here that hate them. They would like to see them cooked to see their goose is cooked. You know what I mean? I'm not a violent person, but I could. I mean, I read a lot of books and I read a lot of history and you know, you can, you could draw some pretty good parallels there. I think they should be careful. Like I would be worried if I was them. Like they're, you're not, you're not as safe as you think.

I guess that goes for all of us. But anyways, I'm kind of rambling on that one right there. What I'm trying to say, ladies and gentlemen is, I love you. I got a great interview coming up. This guy's amazing. And I'm really looking forward to talking to him. I hope you really enjoy the first part of my book. I'm shooting for 2 22 22. I think I've changed the title to the terror before the sacred. And I got an awesome new cover art I'm trying to work on. I don't want to make promises.

I can't deliver on, but let me just tell you this. I've always been a big fan of the 1960s, psychedelic,

Speaker 2 (38m 36s): You know, rock posters. So I'm going to try to incorporate that in there somehow. And we'll see what I can do. Got some great reviews from the editors guys. The guys made some, he made some comments, made me want to cry, man. He compared me to some really big, big people in the world of philosophy. So I, I don't know. He probably says that to all the boys. Right. Anyways. I love you guys. Thank you for taking time to spend some time with me. And I'm looking forward to talking to you guys soon, Aloha.

Oh yeah. Before I go reach out to me with any questions or if you want to be on the show. It's George P monty@gmail.com. That's G E O R G E P M O N T y@gmail.com a lot.