Speaker 0 (0s): All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the true life podcast. We are here with Dr. Anne Marie, a beautiful person that cares about the world. And she's got quite a background. I thought the best way to introduce you, Dr. Ann Marie would be for you to tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do.

Speaker 1 (30s): Sure. So much to say, but I'll keep it. I'll keep it short. Thank you for having me here. Really appreciate it. I love what you're doing. So it is an honor to be here. Yes, I am a doctor. I'm a medical doctor. I graduated from med school, but I currently am practicing at a sort of as a certified clinical hypnotherapist. I love the power of the mind and I like helping others understand the power of their mind. I really gravitated to this after being in traditional medicine, I would say that the whole traditional route just was not aligned with who I am and what I, what I went through.

And so that's the best basic intro I can give.

Speaker 0 (1m 15s): Yeah, I agree. I think that so many of us, you know, we come to the spot in our life. Some of us earlier, some of us later, and we realized that maybe the life we're living was a life that is not the life that we want to live. And it seems to me that there's a lot of struggle there for people. And it tends to be the very foundation in which people make that wrong turn as a, as a clinician and as a doctor, when you see different patients. And do you think that the patients you see are a symptom of the sickness that kind of plagues our society?

Speaker 1 (1m 50s): They are definitely the re the result of, of, of what society has placed upon them. Right? For sure. It, because we, we feel that this is how we should live, because nobody else handed us another, a template and a sense of how to live life, because there's no other template. There's no, everybody is simply unique. And I think that was the biggest struggle for me is accepting my own authenticity of who I am. Like, what do I feel that is right for me?

And even leaving traditional medicine was hugely challenging because I was fighting that like, this is what it means to heal someone. This is what it looks like in order to be a healer or to save someone, is you have to write a prescription and hand it to them. You know, wasn't even that conditioning of how I'm supposed to live, that I had to fight against to be like, no, this just doesn't feel right. You know? And I know that. And there's, and, and that's what I had to listen to say, okay, this is my truth.

Like I thrive when I'm talking about this stuff. It comes to naturally to me to deny it. And no matter how many people would even say like, oh my God, you wasted your years. How could you go to med school? And now you're doing this. Like I heard it. And I'm like, no, like this just feels right. And I'm the only one that's living my life and nobody has handed me anything else that felt better. So this is my template. That makes sense.

Speaker 0 (3m 28s): Totally makes sense. I have seen, you know, I'm a big believer in patterns and you can see different patterns in people. And I think that the best way to see patterns in people or the world is to understand the patterns of your lifestyle. And one pattern that I see in people that always wants to help people is that they have gone through something traumatic and came out of it. And now they have understood, oh my gosh, I'm so much better now. Like, I feel not that I'm a better person, but I feel so much better about myself.

And it's that realization of it seems to me, maybe something for you is there was probably so much pressure on you. Once you were in med school to finish the world is on your shoulders. Like you're going to be a doctor you've committed to this. Now what's wrong with you going to quit. Now, now you're a quitter. And it seems to me that the fact that you found the courage to change after so much that now you're able to go and help people. Can you maybe just maybe flush out a little bit more about how you, the struggle that took place internally for you to move from med school for such a commitment into what you're doing now?

Speaker 1 (4m 32s): Yeah, absolutely. The pattern was the struggle. So you're a hundred percent on it. I love, I love the pattern and being able to recognize the pattern is, is the awareness, like, if we can recognize that this is a pattern, then we can fix it because we can't fix something that we're not aware of. I was completely unaware of my thoughts, right. Of that critical voice. I was in my head telling me, you know, it was always about proving myself that I am worthy, that I am acceptable. And I think even pursuing medicine was the start of that.

Because from my past I was, you know, in foster care I was in, you know, abandoned essentially. I was even a high school dropout. So that hole, that hole of need to prove myself that I am good enough was the pursuit of medical school. And even that I still was trying to prove that I'm good enough, no matter how much I went through, it was still like, am I worthy of this? And it was that inner dialogue, which was the pattern that, you know, I was telling myself that I wasn't even aware of that I had these internal beliefs created from my past that I wasn't worthy.

I wasn't good enough that, you know, I need to do this to be accepted by society or to be accepted period. So, you know, throughout med school, I, I became aware of that inner dialogue very much. And that's when I discovered meditation because I was like, wow, sitting with myself is like really uncomfortable, like listening to this voice, I have this voice that is just so mean.

And it was that pattern that once I became aware, I was like, okay, enough is enough. I need to just quiet it. Number one, become aware of it. And then I was like, where did this come from? And then that realization that it came from my experiences in relationships was like the aha moment, like, oh, so what people told me became my story, which became my pattern. And now I'm repeating it, you know, in my reality, by even withdrawing from situations or even opportunities, you know, I would shy away from things because I felt like I was not good enough.

So talking about patterns, I hope I answered that question.

Speaker 0 (6m 51s): You answered it beautifully. I, I, I sometimes I think that we are so unaware of the patterns of relationships and they start at such a young age. You know, when you're a child, I recently read an article that talked about mirror neurons, and I was unaware of these mirror. Neurons are these. If, if my daughter sky, who's a beautiful young woman and I'm so proud of her, I can't help but say that. So when you have a child, your child is born with a particular set of mirror neurons. It's much like, you know, I'm going to try not to bird walk too far, but I tend to go on tangents.

You for everybody listening. Dr. Ann Marie has an unbelievable podcast called rapid realization. And in one of her podcasts, she talks about the law of correspondence. And as she gets deep into that podcast, she talks about how people split the atom and the two parts of the atoms. You can, you can, they become an, a superposition. So one part moves here and one part moves over there. Okay. So think about the same thing for mirror neurons. I have neurons in my mind and my daughter hasn't been her mind. So she, as, as the, let's just say it turns to the right or counter-clockwise when she sees it, it's turning the same way.

So we're connecting on almost a telepathic level and she can read my ability. She can read my thoughts, even with the looks of my face or my, if I wink at her or I smile, she's picking up certain cues that were meant directly from me to hurt. And I think it's those from those smallest level of relationships, we are learning about ourselves and how to act that is on a genetic level that our parents taught us. And so bringing it back full circle, I think you answered the question beautiful, because all we're understanding of ourselves and lives begin at the most earliest relationship, and you have an a, if you would be so kind is this story is a little personal, but I think it's beautiful.

And I think it's worth telling, can you, can you maybe cover the story about when you were adopted by your foster parents and, and you have a story about some other girls that were foster sisters, would you mind sharing that story?

Speaker 1 (8m 53s): Yeah, absolutely. I'm a, I'm an open book, you know, I I've done the work, so I definitely, you know, I have, that's what I'm here to do is share. So yeah, I mean, well, number one, that was my realization of, of like wanting to help people, you know, the being, being in a foster home, you see situations and experiences, or you see other children that go through these experiences. And there was just this type of an awareness that I had at, at that age like that, that there was there there's other people that have these paths and they're they're, I don't want to say at that time I was comparing, I was like, wow, I'm so fortunate.

Like, like there was a sense of gratitude that yes, I went through my experience. I am in this home with these children, but I'm still very fortunate. And I felt like I had abilities to help those children at that time. You know, that, that they were younger than me. They were there their story behind why they were in the homeless surrounding abuse. And, you know, I was not physically abused. I was neglected now as my traumas.

And so I even internalize that and I was like, wow, what can I do to help these children? You know? And that was the start of me wanting to pursue helping people. That was the realization that I wanna, I want to help people. And I became quite good at it. Like of just like connecting with people. I hope I answered that question, but, and in regards to, you know, my, my, I became emancipated. So I, after leaving the home, I at 16, I was pretty much on my own.

I, you know, got my first apartment and I dropped out of high school and, you know, I just, I had to work and to work, but I still have that, like drive deep down, like I can create my life. I became very aware at an early age of like, okay, I can create my life and that doesn't need to be who I am. And so I, I decided to go get my, get my GED and become, you know, go to, go to go to college. And, and that became very, I became very profoundly aware that, okay, I can manifest what I want to manifest.

I can create my reality. I hope I'm kind of circling around on that circle. Perfect. It's perfect. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I almost cut you off. I apologize. So, you know, I mean, all those experiences were, you know, traumatic. If you look at them, sometimes it's even hard for me to say, now that they're traumatic. Cause it's like, I don't see them as traumas anymore.

You know, they're like my perspective has completely changed. And that's why I love what I do hypnotherapy is because, you know, I created these new pathways in my mind to be able to perceive that experience very differently now. So even talking about it, you know, I'm sitting here smiling about it and you know, I've talked about that, about my story to people and, you know, I've had people cry and they're like, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, don't be sorry, sorry. Like the way that I perceive it, as I needed to go through that, to be able to clear away my beliefs that I created about myself, you know, to go on this journey, you know, cause you know, during that time and even, even still today, like I'm, I'm human, you know, I'm and I, I have beliefs that are pressed upon me, but I'm very aware about them now.

You know, then I wasn't aware of them so to help. So

Speaker 0 (12m 38s): I think like that, that particular statement just makes me find you so beautiful. Like it, it shows me where you're at. And I, I think a lot of people, myself included what, what I, if I could get people, if I could give people one gift, I would tell them that like the worst trauma you go through is the best gift you can ever have. And it's so hard. It's so difficult to understand why people are like, you know, like my wife and I had our first Sunday and it was, it was so tragic and it was so heartbreaking.

However, our child taught us more in a day than I've learned in my lifetime, but it takes so long to get there. Whether you're abused, molested, you've had somebody close to you die. Like, what people don't understand is that trauma is a gift from the planet. That trauma is a gift from God, from Buddha, from all it's the greatest gift you'll ever receive. And the reason is is because something, whatever you believe in as a power, if it's Gaia, the world or God, that power believes you it's chose you.

It says you are strong enough to handle this. And I want, I chose this to happen to you and I'm sorry, it's going to be horrible and you're going to hate it, but you strong enough to get through it. And when you get through it, I want you to come out the other side and teach people how to get through it. And if you could begin thinking about that, like it's, it makes you cry. You go from tears of sadness to tears of joy and that space that was ripped from your heart, that person, that idea, whatever was ripped from you. There's a cavernous hole there, but soon if you believe and you understand, you begin to see something grow there, that's bigger and stronger.

And it just, it grows within you and takes over you. And it starts coming out and it's like, it's just this amount of love. And you start looking back at the Bible where Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. And you start looking at the Aztecs who maybe metaphorically, you know, lost people are sacrificed build. I believe it's the sacrifice. There can be no salvation without sacrifice and we all need salvation. And it comes from sacrifice and you don't literally have to sacrifice people you love, but you do have to sacrifice your old life.

You must die to your old life to become the potential. And that's the whole idea of Christianity being born again. And it comes to trauma. And so when you told that story about the trauma that you had, it's like you told the story of your rebirth and look at you now, now you're, you're going out and you're helping people and you're spreading this message and you know, I, I believe people can see it. And so it's kind of a great segue into inner dialogue now doing what you do, helping people are there some techniques that you use to help people.

It doesn't have to be inner dialogue, but I've heard you say that before. And so I was just curious if you could speak upon that and maybe some techniques that you use that you see are common and people that they didn't think they could benefit from.

Speaker 1 (15m 39s): Yeah, absolutely. And I have to say, you know, you sharing is it's amazing. You made me think of a lot, a lot of, a lot of things I would love to bring, bring to the table, please. I run Noakes and I'm like, I really want to talk about inner dialogue, but I do want to pick up on something you said in regards to, you know, what you, what you experienced and, and us coming into this, coming into this, this life and having these traumas. And for me, I believe we hundred percent have chosen it.

And that's really hard for people to hear is that they chose this experience. And it's because we do have a life between lives. And we do have the spirit essence of us, this energy essence. That's why, you know, even, even, you know, quantum physics, our science cannot prove things because there is this energy force in the background, you know, it's like those, this Adam being split and then, you know, doing something to it, it moves. And then this other part of the Adam, which is like four miles away, does the same exact thing that there's this energy.

And we are part of this energy too, that is not here in this physical experience. So we have our, our soul's purpose. And, you know, we chose to come into the life to have experience in the death of a child is one of the most honestly, I would say as one of the biggest lessons. And I have to say, wow, because you know, that is something that from my school of thought, that that, that, that child even chose to give you that lesson, that, that child came here and was like, I want to give you this.

You know, and I believe that's all of our relationships, right? That we always meet people. And we have a lesson to learn from them from experience, you know, even if it's a failed marriage or, or, or a lost partner or whatever it is, there is there, isn't a contract, basically that is an agreement for us to come together, to have this lesson that we're going to learn in this life experience. You know? So that's, that's definitely something I love talking about.

Speaker 0 (17m 50s): Thank you.

Speaker 1 (17m 52s): My name regards to inner dialogue, inner dialogue is, you know, I mean, well, there's so much inner dialogue, right? We all have awareness of that. And that is one of the biggest inner dialogues that most people are aware of is that critical mind, the critical, the critical mind that's talking to us. And how I like to explain is we have, we have many parts that make up who we are, you know, to be able to simplify it. We have so many egos that were developed from our upbringing and those parts can come through in that inner dialogue.

Right. And we also have these amazing, beautiful wise aspects that come through like higher self that can come through an inner dialogue. And of course the inner dialogue that is not the one that most people want to get rid of is the negative inner dialogue. Right. And so the negative self-talk. And so in regards to techniques on how to help with any dialogue that isn't negative that isn't serving us is I would say encourage the positive dialogue, you know, switch and become aware of the higher self dialogue maybe, or the wise aspects that is saying, this is not your truth.

And that's a bit challenging for people when they're first getting into this like healing space of like, even just number one, you have to become aware of this dialogue. And, you know, I just did a talk the other day that someone's like, oh, I get really frustrated when I try to calm myself down. And I'm like, well, it's basically like two parts. You know, you have this part that is really sad. And then you have a part that is really frustrated that, and the frustrated part is trying to help the sad part that doesn't, that doesn't really help.

It's like blind leading the blind, right. We need to, we need to create resources for ourselves and create a positive voice in, in our mind. You know, sometimes I serve as that positive voice. I'm sure you serve as that positive voice. And, you know, sometimes my clients will be like, you're like that good angel on my shoulder to I'm like, no, no, no, no change the voice that's you? That is you. I'm just, I'm just kind of like handing you some tools that someone handed me, you know, I'm, I am no different, I am nobody special.

I'm human. You know, we are all special. We all have a part in this world. And so we all have the ability to learn these resources and help ourselves. So that's, that's for inner dialogue, I would say, you know, become aware of it as number one, if you're not sitting in silence and just becoming aware that you even have this, these voices and, and start to, you know, create a positive voice, a more positive voice that is going to help you through this, if you're not working with someone to help you with your inner dialogue.

And so yeah, that inner dialogue,

Speaker 0 (20m 43s): Dr. Henry, I, I th I th I hope you, like, you should start a school for children. You talk about inner dialogue, like even, even like a set of podcasts. I, I think that that should be an integral part of a childhood education like that a that's as important as English as math, right? Like imagine how many people we could save from drudgery. If in K through five, they had 15 minutes of inner dialogue class, the amazing, right.

Speaker 1 (21m 10s): I a hundred percent agree with you. I mean, that's why I'm so in love with the podcast realm now, you know, I mean, I've, I've, I love listening to podcasts and, and learning, you know, from other people and, and the ability for this to reach out to people across the world, you know, that don't have the educational resources is kind of like, I think this is us stepping into that realm of helping to just share something that is, you know, everybody does is, is deserving of receiving, you know, education knowledge.

You know, I, I love that we are in this time that that allows us to have these platforms and technology, but there are some places that are still struggling to receive that. Right. But yeah, I, I believe that, you know, now children are getting access to this stuff because they can freely search for it too. I believe that we're, we're moving in that direction. That's my optimism.

Speaker 0 (22m 4s): Oh, I, I think it's true. And, you know, I think not only is it your optimism, but it's your foresight. You know, if, if we take an honest look at what's happening in the world, the old world is dying all around us. And there's a lot of people in positions of authority that, that maybe had gotten there because they took the older path, which is, it took a lot of money to go to college. It took some student loans and a lot of people say, it's not what, you know, it's who, you know, and there's a lot of people that have filled these positions.

And now, because the internet has been like a grand equalizer, there is people that used to be truck drivers that dropped out of med school that are now being able to pursue a passion and want to help people. And they're B they're being able to shine through and to reach people, instead of maybe someone that was, you know, much like you had chosen the path of med school. Some people may have chosen a path a long time ago and never decided to leave, but now they feel stuck. And so I think what we're seeing is a great leveling of the playing field.

And even though there's so much trauma with the pandemic and the world around us, I believe a new world is being born. May I share a story with you about what I think is going on,

Speaker 1 (23m 19s): Please do. Okay.

Speaker 0 (23m 22s): This is the way that I think is a really good way to look at what's happening. So imagine a beautiful, imagine we live in this beautiful community and there is a giant tree in this community. And it's just the surrounding is as beautiful as you can think this tree is, it's a hundred feet tall and it's just provide shade. And it's a beautiful canopy in all us. We gain our life force from this tree, this sustenance, our feeling of wellbeing. We gain our daily bread from this tree and once every hundred years of flower blooms.

So depending on when you're born, we have a similar life. Some people, most people live for 80 years. So depending when you're born, you maybe, maybe you're born when the flower is just beginning to bloom and the fragrance is beautiful and it just invigorates you and everybody worships the flower on this tree, but then 70 years go by and this flower begins to wilt and its edges get brown. And maybe you're born when the flower falls. And imagine if you were born in the flower was if you were born, when the flower was blooming, imagine all your memories, all your love.

Everything is tied to the flower. Not flower falls off the tree, everybody panics, oh no, we're all going to die. We're not going to have our daily bread. This is it. This is a horrible, and people lose their mind and people are crying and your parents and your grandparents are this it's dead. We're all gonna die. But then somebody notices a new bud, a new flower starts to form, and it's going to be bigger and better and greater and smell more insane and better for everybody when this new flower buds. And some people see the flower budding, but other people are too caught up and they all, they worship the flower on the ground, but there's this new one being born.

And I think if that's where we are as a society, there's a new flower blooming, it's going to be bigger. It's going to smell better. It's going to be better for everybody. But it doesn't mean we can't discount the beauty of the last flower because a lot of people have their life tied to that last flower. And that's what I mean when I say the old world is dying, but there's a new one being born. And I think it's incumbent upon people like us to spread the word of the new flower. That almost sounds like a cult, the new spread, the word, the new flower.

Speaker 1 (25m 36s): I know I love the metaphor. No, I love that metaphor. It's a beautiful metaphor. And it's a hard one for some to even swallow, you know, to, to it, that, that there is a cycle, you know, there is a, there is a cycle. And, and right now, like even with this pandemic, it is, it is a cycle, you know, and we, we are heading into a new cycle. Absolutely. A hundred percent agree with you on, on that metaphor. And, and it's going to be, it's all about perspective too.

And, and what, how you want to see that, that if it's something that's going to be beautiful or something's not going to be beautiful. And it's like, okay, I want to see the beauty in the flower. You know, is it dying or living, you know, no matter how, how I see it, because in the end, even though I don't want to use that word, there is no end. It's just, it's, it's constant growing. You know, it just like that flower falling will now nourish the roots. You know, it is a constant cycle and pattern of rebirth and, and growth.

It's an expansion of life. And, and that's what we're doing. We're expanding and we're creating different realities or perspectives and experiences. And it depends on, you know, what you, how you want to live and how you choose, you know, do you want to be on, on this perspective where it's all bad and evil, there is no evil, you know, there, it's just, it's just, life is just, is, it's just here.

Speaker 0 (27m 13s): Yeah. It's true. It's true. I think it's amazing how, and I think it was in your podcast up correspondence when you talked about how people see things in other people and they can choose to see the negative, or they can choose to see the positive, but either way they're seeing themselves.

Speaker 1 (27m 32s): Yup. Yup. Can you flesh that out a little bit? Oh, absolutely. I mean, the law of correspondence, it really centers around like the mirror that everything is your mirror. And you know, what is law correspondence is that what is within his is without it is on the outside as well. And that, you know, what is, what is so is above is below. And that is like an, another way of saying this is like the hologram, you know, everything is holographically being replicated because we are coming from one source.

We are coming from one. And so your reality and experience is a reflection of you. And that's really hard for people to swallow when, you know, their experiences is not, not fun, but there's a huge space of growth within that, to be able to see that. It's kind of like, what I like to say is like, you know, you, when you change your perspective of how you see your world, your physical reality will slowly shift.

And if we have reactions, negative reactions to something, we have to check, like, you know, an example I've given is like, you know, someone cutting us off, you know, and, and you know, I live in Florida. So the traffic here is not bad, not the greatest in south Florida. And it's like someone cutting you off and you immediately being like, oh, you BBB BB been like cursing at them and just like, flicking your finger and getting really mad. But at that moment, have you not ever cut someone off to like, you know, like having you not ever like been in a rush, I've been in a hurry, not be aware of other people or courteous of other people.

And I'm, I'm going to guarantee you, the answer is yes. And if you're going to say no, then we're rejecting a part of us. And that's the shadow part, you know, we're rejecting a part of us. So if we can see all the experience around us is kind of projecting something back to us. So my reaction of anger is projecting back to me that I have, I have anger in me. I was like, it's not what they did that made me anger angry. I created that in a sense reaction, you know, it's, it's the button and there's a trigger there.

So what do we want to do? We want to eliminate that. So in order to eliminate our maybe negative sides or reactions, we have to then react differently. So then the invite, it doesn't matter what happens in the environment. I will respond in a, in a more harmonious way. And therefore then the reality was show slowly shift to a new vibration of harmony and people won't cut you off as much. And if they do, you won't be bothered. So the law of correspondence is just looking at life.

And, you know, there's many ways like I'm big about talking about trying to like bring different things together, because there are so many ways of healing and helping ourselves. So like the law of correspondence can be like the shadow work. You know, people have known of shadow work. So this is like shadow work. Like you're looking at the dark side because in everything, there is a duality, there is a polarity, there is positive and negative. We can not have existence right now if we did not have that dark side, that bad side, that is law correspondence.

It is the positive and the negative, the up and the down. And if that was not in existence, we would not have life. We would not be here because we all came from one. And so when, when you become aware of that, all healing modalities is just trying to get us back to that one, that, that, that singularity of existence, that remembrance of who we are essence.

Speaker 0 (31m 13s): Yeah, no, I couldn't say it any better. You know, the pattern is everywhere. Like if you, if you listen to music, you hear these different sounds, but what makes the music happen is the silence in between the sounds, but that makes the pattern. If you look at canyons and valleys, like everything is a pattern and it's all a process. And I, I think that that is one part that's going to be a big part of our future. And that is us seeing ourselves as a pattern instead of as an individual.

And I, I really think that there is this new understanding happening, like kids today are smarter than maybe that's not the right word kids today live in a different world than we grew up in, or our parents grew up in and thus they are subject to different stimuli. And, you know, if, if, if we can agree that that w we are part of nature and we can agree that we can learn from nature, that we could possibly also agree that the history of nature is our history.

And we can see things changing. We can see how it's going to go. We can, we can at least have confidence that there's a process. And so that process I think, is, is, is going to evolve from the religions that we know as individuals to a religion of something like we're a process. I don't have it fully fleshed out yet, but this idea of us as a process, it helps people to understand that it's an ongoing process. It helps people to understand that the things you see in other people is a process you see in yourself.

And I, I, I just think it, it, I think it helps people understand who they are when they look at themselves as a process. And here's a great way to look at it. I think I've got it here. Have you ever heard about the ship of Theseus? No. Okay. So this is a, this is a mental exercise that we can do imagine a giant ship, and it's all made of wood, right? It's got the Woodmass, it's got, everything is made of wood, and it's a giant ship. And in the cabin underneath the deck, we have enough Oak wine barrels to replace every part of the ship.

And as we're on our journey, the ship begins to rot. So the sail goes bad. So we throw away the sale and we go downstairs and we take one of these pieces of Oak, and we build a new sale. And as we keep going the ship deteriorates, and we keep replacing the old wood with the new word from the barrels, by the time we reach our destination, we have completely got rid of the old ship. And now it's made out of the new barrels that we used. Is that the same ship that we set sail in? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (33m 60s): I love your metaphors man. And actually the ship is us the ship. Yeah. I mean, we, okay, well, let's talk science. Every cell in our body changes. And every seven years, you know, they say seven to 10 years. You're a completely different human because every cell in your body is changing. Even the lenses on your eye are not the same lenses that you seen life through just two, three years ago, because they are, they are replicating and changing your lenses on your eyes are dying off and being changed to new ones.

It's like the hair on my head. I'm always going to, you know, if I cut it shorter than, you know, the, then my hair will be completely new just in a short, like, you know, four months. And that, that is us. We are constantly changing. We're constantly replicating and evolving and expanding and, you know, and, and energy is not created or destroyed. So it's not, it's not something to look at as if it's like, oh, it's gone, you know? And in a sad thing, it's not, it's just part of the process that you, you know, the part of the process of allowing that change to take place and to go into that, you know, to allow us to follow that vibration or harmony, you know, like, I'm, I love like sacred geometry.

I think you've heard of this, like where it's like, everything has a perfect pattern and that is the music, you know, it is, it is the vibration, the up and the down, the, this, this pattern of existence and the, your ship metaphor is exactly us. And we are evolving and changing.

Speaker 0 (35m 40s): Yeah. There's, there's, there's, there's another one that's very similar than I, and I think it, it just, we should just pound at home. So imagine a Whirlpool. You ever seen a Whirlpool before, right? So it's just this swirling mass, right? And it, there, there used to be one by a Creek by my house. It was always there. It was always there. And if you see a Whirlpool, it's normally always there, but the water inside the Whirlpool is different, right? The water comes into the Whirlpool and then it goes out, but the Whirlpool, the form is there. And I think that the reason we're pounding this so hard, be it science, be it thesis, a ship or a waterfall is that people have a difficult time of letting go of their past.

And if they can understand that they're the form and Hey, that happened to them, but you can't change that. And that was necessary. So, you know, I once heard that the, the depression is being trapped in the past and anxiety is being trapped in the future. And that's, if you just live now, like, you're, Hey, right now you're the form of the Whirlpool. Yeah. That water that came before us dirty water, it's gone. You can't change that. So don't hold onto it because you can't hold that water anyway, it's already gone. And so many of us get caught up in like, oh my gosh, this big stick came through my waterfall.

No, you know where it came from my Whirlpool. Yup. And it needed to happen. It had to change something. Don't worry. You'll figure out why later. But I think that so many people I see that are struggling it's because they're holding onto something. That's not their burden to carry. And it's, they need someone like you to sit down with them and just say, Hey, just let that go. You know? And I really think you're, I really think you're an educator in so many ways. And since we're on the topic of education, what can you maybe, if you were to form a school or if you were to, what are some things you think could help children right now going forward with this whole distance learning and just the shotgun out the back door, throwing all this stuff out that I noticed a lot of things, but with learning today, kids wearing masks, like, what do you think are some of the issues that our children are going to have in the future?

Speaker 1 (37m 42s): I mean, oh boy, children, children aren't work children. Aren't living more in that meditative, hypnotic, you know, trans they're so wide open there they're fully in their subconscious mind. There's, you know, they're creating the inner dialogue at that moment. So they're like little sponges, right. Picking everything up. And so they're definitely feeling a lot and experiencing a lot and the uncertainty of, you know, change and feeling even with their parents or their caregivers around them.

So, I mean, if, if I could change anything right now, I would say we got to change. We, you know, the, the, the, I mean, I've talked to a teacher and it's just not easy, like the parameters and they're dealing with stress, but the children feel that. Right. And so I, I'm huge on silence. Like, you know, learning how to just be silent, to be aware, to gain awareness of our emotions. Children learn how to block right. Their emotions, because nobody's guiding them on how to listen to their emotions.

They don't understand emotions. So let's just simply teach them about emotions and, and tell them, Hey, this is completely normal. You know, my, I have a nephew, my youngest nephew, who is, who is 10 now. And this was when he was like six years old though. And, you know, we were at a beach and he was crying and, you know, just not in a good mood, I don't even remember exactly why. And, you know, I was, I was like, don't worry. It will pass. It will pass. You know, these I'm like, don't worry. He's like, you know, I'm going to be like this forever, because when you're in that feeling, they, you believe that it's like permanent, you know, it's, it feels like such permanency.

And you know, sure enough, it didn't last forever. We got on a kayak and we were out on the boat, you're out on the water. He was having a great time. He's laughing, giggling. And you know, in that moment he was so present. He was so in that moment, because children are in the moment, they are more in the moment. But I wanted to kind of bring him back to the past, just to be able to realize the transition and that there is change and that things do change. And that emotions are not permanent so that he becomes aware of that. So that the next time it comes, he will realize that these are more emotions.

They're normal, they're going to pass. And so I said to him, Hey, remember like 10, 15 minutes ago, you're crying. You don't feel sad anymore. Right. And I just want it to gain awareness. No, I'm having a great time. I'm like, I know you see emotions are normal. They go off, they go down, but we don't need to react. They're not permanent. Even emotions are not permanent. And, and allow that flow of life to come forward, that change of a Mar of emotions to come forward. So that's the one thing that I definitely would, you know, encourage us to lead, you know, our children in and understanding us.

We are the, we are the authority figures that they're looking up at and learning how to behave in life and they're picking it up. So like, whenever I have someone call me and they're like, Hey, can you see my kid did it? Or, you know, I, if I'm seeing the parents, I'm like, Hey, just work on yourself really more, a lot more like, I'm happy to see them, but you're the one that's going to have the biggest influence. And so the more you are, cause they're feeling you. So the more you're aware and allowing your emotions and educating them and influencing them the better they're going to be your, you know, our teachers, our parents, our policemen, our doctors, oh man.

Even doctors, I'm like sit down and meditate. I don't know if you're aware of your emotions, cause they're not even aware of their emotions, you know, and so long answer, but that's, that's something I definitely would help just becoming aware awareness.

Speaker 0 (41m 30s): Yeah. It's interesting. There's something I've been wanting to ask you. So on the idea of hypnosis, I once heard that in order to get someone in a state of hypnosis, it helps to have them focus on one of their senses. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (41m 49s): It depends on the mind, but yes, absolutely. It's meditation hypnosis is like meditation. And the only, the only thing different is that, you know, I like to say hypnosis is like meditation on steroids. We're getting you into a very, very deep place. And the brain waves at that state of hypnosis is called data. And the theatre brainwaves are the same exact brain waves that we have when we're in REM sleep, which is rejuvenating. And also in children before the age of 12, you're just in a very open learning state for you to take in suggestions.

So that's all hypnosis is it's not me controlling you. It's all you just being very open. And so if focusing on one thing helps the thinking mind to calm down, because we have two minds, we have the conscious mind, which is the thinking mind. And then we have the subconscious mind, which is the feeling body. It's the emotions, it's the, it's the intuition that comes through. And so the focusing aspect of hypnosis on maybe one thing is maybe to help kind of quiet that inner dialogue that may be distracting you away from, from, from connecting with that subconscious mind, which is the emotion we're not trained to.

I would say, you know, in the last 10 years it's been huge shifts in this whole self, self healing world or self discovery and, you know, bringing like, you know, Eastern philosophy to the Western society, you know, and there's huge shifts. And we're very much like left-brain did very analytical linear, and now we're kind of shifting more to that more esoteric and feeling, and that is right brain, the creativity. And so we're, we're, we're shifting more to that way.

And that like hypnosis just connects you with that part of the brain basically connected you more with this, this bigger part of who we are. We, the thinking mind is only 10% of who we are. We're our thoughts, you know, that's you, you're 90%, you know, these feelings, these emotions, these intuitions, it's more of who you are. These neurons all through your body are communicating. You know, we think that the voice is the only communication.

There's a lot more communication going on in our body. We just have to learn how to listen to it. And so hypnosis is kind of that process of helping people listen to this part of the mind, the subconscious mind.

Speaker 0 (44m 17s): Yeah. That's, it's, there's so much there in, in a way, you know, it seems to me that I'm trying to tie it together with education in that, like you think about hypnosis and you know, I believe some people can use there's, there's multiple techniques. You could use the cadence of your voice to go and do what you think is possible to get people. You know, you can, there's certain techniques you can use. And I think I've read some areas that are like, TV is so powerful.

Like talk about taking a medium and not even having to think about it. Like I'm going to put an image in your head. There it is. Think about that. I don't want you to think about it. Yeah. Marshall McLuhan is one of my favorite philosophers. He gets into this and he says that there's hot and cold mediums, a hot medium is something that does the thinking for you like television. Like that's why when people watch TV, they just, they just vege out and it gets right in their head. If you read a book you are responsible for coming up with that mental image of forces you to think, when you listen to radio, you are supposed to come up with the image.

And because TV is such a powerful medium social media, television, tic talk, YouTube, you name it. All these visual mediums are being thrust upon us today. And when we take these visual mediums with social media and we begin covering people's faces with masks, I think that it can, I'm not saying it always does, but it can put kids at a disadvantage because there's so much that happens here. When I see you smile. When I would see my wife, shoot me a slice smile.

And then, oh my God, I think she likes me so much flirting. And so much stuff happens right here. And like the eyes match the mouth and it's so difficult to detect sarcasm and cynicism and playfulness when we can't see here. And that it bothers me to think, and I'm not blaming anybody for it, but it bothers me to think that our children or yeah, cause they're all our children right there. Our children are being subjected or neglected maybe. And not being able to learn this, especially like if you're a child is between the ages of one and five and they have to wear a mask all day.

We're denying them the ability to communicate. And that worries me for the future. It worries me for the divide. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1 (46m 39s): Yeah. You know, and I kinda got into this conversation the other day regarding the mask, you know, and some people are liking the mask because it's hiding a part of themselves that they're self-conscious about. Right. So there's like also there's, you know, there's some people that like it and some people that don't, so it's also becoming a projection of some of people's insecurities about themselves, but in regards to children, you know, I mean my opinion about it, you know, I believe we're definitely going through a shift and, you know, for children, I, I, I would like, we're doing it more for people to feel comfortable.

Right. And, and, you know, I would hope that we have, we start to be more open to allow us to choose what makes us comfortable not. And if you're not comfortable with me not wearing my mess, then okay. You can, you know, go away. It is, I, I do believe in our, in our choices, you know, allowing us to have choice and you know, when it comes to children, they don't really have much choice. Right. They don't have much choice what they, what they can or cannot do.

So I would say like, we just have to educate them and make sure they understand, you know, that we're, we, we are primarily wearing a mask. We may feel safe and comfortable, but maybe someone else doesn't feel safe and comfortable. And, you know, so I guess that's kind of, kind of where I'm at in regards to regards to that, I don't have my own children that are little, little, little, so I don't, you know, I may, my perspective may be a bit differently in regards to, if I did have a child there and you know, you're, you know, they're not understanding though, they're, they're not fully understanding the, the why they're just kind of going through it in my opinion, but we have to have them not be shamed because that's another thing that you're seeing is people are shaming each other for, you know, for doing something or not doing something, even the vaccinations and people are being shamed and it's making them feel evil or bad and we're segregating and we're separating.

And that is what I'm not all for. I'm not for the separation. I'm for a more for unity and acceptance and just openness because we're all part of each other. And so if we say, you know, the, again, it's the evil, the good and the evil, the up and the down, it goes back to the law of correspondence, the bad, the good, there is none. It's all the same. You need to have one without the other. So if you know, we, we can't segregate ourselves even from the choice that we make regarding vaccinations or wearing a mask.

So I guess that's where I am authentically with that. Like I, you know, I believe there needs to be a choice and there needs to be some acceptance. And if, if that isn't an uncomfortable acceptance for you, then you have to see what is controllable for you controlling the controllables, you know, controlling what you can control. You can choose how you react. You can choose where you stand and you can move Kind of where I'm at with, with that.

Speaker 0 (49m 43s): It's a, it's a great answer. It's a really good answer. And I, you know, I think there's something to be said about. I think there's a lot of things to be said about culture, but I recently took a class on cultures of the world and I am trying not to be, but I've have been the ugly American so much. It's ridiculous. You know, and it's, it's because we don't understand the world in which other people were raised. When I moved to Hawaii, this is going to sound so ignorant, but we're all about sharing, right?

So when I first moved, yeah, I, I grew up in, in Southern California and it, it was not there wasn't a whole lot of diversity, you know, there was, there was a lot of white people and, and, you know, Mexican people and some Asian people, and there was a melting pot, but it was mostly white people. So when I moved to Hawaii, there is so many different Asian cultures, you know, there's Hawaiian cultures and Samoan cultures.

And what's ignorant for me. It's like, I could not, it's going to sound horrible, but I'm gonna say it anyway. You cannot tell the difference just shows how much you cater. So, okay, good. Thank you. I, I, I couldn't one time my, my bosses, I had, I delivered a package and my, he goes, who'd you deliver the package to I'm like, oh, it was an Asian guy. And he goes, was he Japanese or Filipino? And I went, I don't know. I can't tell the difference. And he was so offended. Oh my God, you, what are you?

Like, I could just see the look of disgust on his face. And I was like, oh my God, I'm so dumb. I'm so, you know, but ultimately what happened later, there's another white guy that works at my building and he asked me, Hey, are you guys related? And I said, ah, it's not just me. It's not just me. It's you, it's all of us. You know? And so you don't know what you don't know. You don't know what you don't know. And it, it lit a fire under me to understand more about it. And as I began learning about different cultures, I learned that it wasn't just my ignorance from not from where I was born, but, you know, different cultures speak different languages.

And some people have a tonal language. My wife is Laotian and her net, her native language is loud. And so it's a tonal language. And so it's almost a song. So I could say the same word, an accent, a different part of that word. And it means something totally different. So the inflection in my voice means different things to different cultures is that as Americans, we tend to be louder. We tend to be direct. We have a lot of eye contact. And if you speak to somebody in an Asian culture, these are, these can be offensive. They're not, not that they are, but they can be. And the person could be like, why are you yelling at me?

Well, I'm not, I'm just talking how I am, but, but to them, it's a different culture. There's a different respect, you know, personal space. That's something, depending on how denture population is, you know, you might be this close to somebody and that might be normal. But for us, it's like, we're going to be in a fight in a minute. And so, right. Like it get out of my space. What are you doing? The guy's like, well, I'm just trying to buy what you don't like me being around him, you know? But, but that also comes down to cultural norms. Those are cultural norms. So some people think that the most respectful thing you can do is wear a mask.

Hey, you're sick. Put a mask on how dare you, how dare you breathe that. And so I think part of the problem in our conversation that we're not talking about is the way different cultures think about things. And that seems to be taboo because it tends to be divisive. Because once we say we shouldn't do this, now we have to talk about why this culture is better than that culture, you know, and people which gets me to the question I want to ask you, what is the difference between diversity inequality?

What do you think is the difference there?

Speaker 1 (53m 29s): Diversity and inequality from either not the same, you know, it's perspective for me, diversities uniqueness, it's, you know, words are very powerful. So I'm, I'm, you know, I'm checking in with how I interpret this word. So someone may interpret it differently, but for me, diversity is, is uniqueness. And when you get to a place of seeing things from an energetic aspect, there is no diversity.

We are all just unique and that we all are very different energetically, but we're all connected to this one thing. And, but inequality is the rejection of that diversity for me. So inequality is that rejection of diversity. That's how I would perceive it is that my perspective is, you know, I obviously like I'm, I come from a very diverse family, very unique family. That is a very multicultural, like, you know, my mother's part Japanese, my father's Bulgarian, you know, he speaks very loud.

It sounds like he's always mad. You know, my mother doesn't, you know, the whole looking in the eyes, I get it, you know, there's a submissive, like, looking down, you don't look at people in the eyes it's seen as a territorial type of thing. And, you know, and, and in my family, like we're very mixed and even my partner's Jamaican. So I'm from a very diverse, you know, and, and there's, you know, inequality, it's real like I, there is, and it's, it's, it does heavy on my heart to, to see that because people can not have this beautiful perspective of, of, of uniqueness that we are all just part of the same thing, but we just have our unique expression and our human form is an unique, unique expression.

No matter what color it is, no matter what culture it comes from, no matter, you know, how we dress, it is a unique perspective. And that's the diversity, which is everybody, you know, people can look at me and be like, you know, I you're complete hippie. You're very diverse. Especially if you were in the middle of like, you know, let's say I was in the middle of Harlem. Trust me. I'm very diverse. They're very, it's all about perspective. So any quality? Oh yeah. I mean, it's unfortunate.

It's a social conditioning, right? The inequality is, is a social conditioning. We want to be accepted. You know, we want to be in groups. That's how we feel accepted. There's any quality in religion. There's any quality in, in schools. There's any quality in gender. There's any quality in everything. And that is the lack of acceptance of something. And that's very unfortunate. It is the reality. And, you know, I would hope that the more people start to see that we're all very connected in the same way. Energetically, we are the same Adams.

We're all made up at the same. Adam. We all have the same blood slaying vessels, same heart, you know, the are, our foundations are all the same. And then there would not be any inequality. We are all unique in this flow of life.

Speaker 0 (56m 42s): That is such a great answer. I'm so glad you answered that question. I've, I've posed that question to a lot of different people and you're the first person to, to answer it that way. It's, it's beautiful. And I enjoy it. Thank you for doing it. Yeah. I think I wish people could understand that we're all in equal, you know, there's things that you don't have and other people there's always going to feel better than you. There's always going to be people worse than you, but once you begin even going down that road, you've taken the wrong path, you know, it's it's how can I, how can I, what can I do to make my life better?

I think, you know, but it's, it's just, it's so hard.

Speaker 1 (57m 23s): It is. It is. And you know, I'm, I'm, I'm still there. You know, every, every, even within my business, you know, I'm, I'm, there's this like comparison and, and I, and it's a surrendering, there's this like, surrendering of just needing to let go and just be who I am and, and not. And it seemed my uniqueness of who I am and not feel unimportant or more important. I just am. You know, and that's, that's one of my biggest, like Epiphanes in, in life is that I am not more than, or less than I am them.

You know, I am equal to, I am the same. And that's the inequality that maybe we're unable to recognize that creates the inequality of unable to see that we are all just perfect, how we are in our existence right here, you know, and that doesn't make me less than, or greater than it just makes me neat, no matter what you're doing. And it doesn't need to come through, but there's so many social conditionings, right? So many social conditionings, like you said, social media, everything around us is telling us that there's this specific way of doing things.

Even the specific way I need to look, you know, with social media, it's huge of being, of being like, okay, this is what a relationship needs to look like. You know, even a relationship. This is what being a father needs to look like. This is what being a mother needs to look like. This is what being a sister needs to look like. This what being hypnotherapist needs to look like. This is what this needs to be. Look looks like. You know, there's so many conditionings around us all the time. And I have, we have these commercials down here for a chain of a grocery store chain.

And they're always, their commercials is always the family sitting around the dinner table and eating. And it is, and that commercial alone is just telling us she, all my client always is like the commercials conditioned beyond exactly how my family needs to look like. And I'm like, yeah, that's not reality, right? We're not, especially during holidays. We are kind of Vickery and getting annoyed, fighting with each other. You know, family is, is however you want to define. It needs to look like there's no one way. There's no perfection. There's no such thing as perfect because nothing is replicable.

Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. You have two twins. Has anybody ever met two twins that are exactly the same? I don't think so. Like their personalities are so different. Yeah. Maybe they may look similar and they have the perfect genetics, but they're very different because they cannot have the same perception, the same experience. They cannot be in space and time at the same exact time or, or whatever matter in the spatial aspect. But so that means their, their perception is going to be different. So they're unique and that's why their percent personality will be unique.

And so there's nothing. Perfection means replicable that there is an actual definition that something is perfect. There's no such thing, not even my phone, my desk, nothing in, in physical reality is perfect because even the cells that make up it, I guarantee you, there are cells within it that have broken all fallen off or changed. Everything is there's nothing that's changing because everything's moving too. Right? Every cell, every atom in life is constantly moving and shifting. So that means it cannot be exactly the same.

So there's no such thing as perfection. So when you realize that, then you'll realize that even society is not telling me the perfect way of living, because there's no such thing as perfect because nothing is replicable. Nothing is, there's no such thing.

Speaker 0 (1h 0m 54s): Yeah. I agree. I agree. 100%, it's it? It reminds me of like, I, I believe that we can learn so much just by watching nature and the patterns of nature and

Speaker 1 (1h 1m 7s): Right.

Speaker 0 (1h 1m 8s): Yeah. So think about the way like in a neutron or in a, I'm going to butcher this probably, but in the smallest molecules you have like neurons or Adam spinning around neurons, the same way that the planets rotate on their axis, the same way that the planets rotate around the sun, the same way that our solar system spins around the galaxy in the same way that the galaxy spins around the universe. Right. But it doesn't really spin. It, it corkscrews. And that's why they say history doesn't repeat, but it rhymes.

So you can look back to the past to find answers to the future. And then I got a shameless plug right here in this brilliant new book by George Monte. It's called the terrible for the sacred. It kind of looks like this right here.

Speaker 1 (1h 1m 55s): I did see, I saw it on there on Amazon.

Speaker 0 (1h 1m 59s): Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I give this metaphor in, in this, in my book, and it's about living in a snail shell. So imagine taking a Nautilus shell or a snail shell, and you do it, you cut across section, and now you're looking into the snail shell, right? And it looks like a spiral. I don't know if you could see this. And if you were to cut a snail shell in half, you would see a series of repeating repetitive patterns, getting bigger and bigger and bigger like this chambers, different chambers, and they get bigger and bigger and bigger. Well, when a snail is born, it's born with the first chapter, the first little piece of that snail shell.

And as it grows and eats its calcium rich diet, it grows another chamber and it repeats on top of it. And that is a lot like our daily routine. The chances are your routine may be different than mine, but you have one for me. I wake up at five. I come downstairs, I make breakfast for my wife and my daughter take my daughter to school, go to work, work my 12 hours, come back home, kiss my wife, take a shower, go to bed, wake up in the morning. I do it again. And again, day after day, month after month, year after year.

And it's the same series of repeating patterns as the snail show grows. So this is a pattern in nature. It's the same pattern you see with the way that water flows like water flow takes the path of least resistance, whether it's a teardrop or runoff from a storm drain. And so if we can see that there's these patterns that happen on the macro, we can learn how those patterns are and we can apply them to our life. Like if I want to change, I should be studying the way in which water flows down from a glacier.

Then I can see, oh, I see the water pools right here. And it, if, if you could personify water and you were that water drop, you'd go, oh no, I'm stuck. I'm never going to come over to this head, but you need to be reinforced from the source. And you can tell by looking at the patterns on the jagged rock, that it is going to overflow. It just needs to be reinforced reinvigorated from the source. It needs that, that, that depth, that torrent of water to come and hope it, push it over the edge and think that's where we are as a society right now. We're, we're in this swirling little pool cause we're caught.

And I think that we can use rites of passage and ceremonies and we can use these forms. These, like we talked about the Whirlpool as a form. We can use these forms to transform our society and help us achieve our path to the bottom down there. And so it just got me thinking about that when you were, when you were talking about, you know, how that, that was kind of my setup between diversity and, and there. Yeah. I

Speaker 1 (1h 4m 37s): Mean it's Fibonacci, right?

Speaker 0 (1h 4m 41s): Exactly. It's

Speaker 1 (1h 4m 43s): I love, yeah. I love that. I, your explanation is beautiful and really spot on. So I can't wait to read your book. I can't wait to read your,

Speaker 0 (1h 4m 53s): I think everybody can benefit from it because it, it, it's not, it's not about color or gender or orientation. It's about, Hey, this is us. This is the a process. And if we work together, we're going to get through is so much faster. And there's so many knuckleheads that think that the things that they are the source, but they're just the vehicle that the source is coming from. And the can realize that like, look, we're, we're all the vehicle. And that, that particular form of government, that particular form of religion, these forms that we've had with us for so long, they were great.

They worked, but now it's time for a new form and that's what we're building. And that's like, you are doing with your helping people and understanding and, and, and, and, and moving forward on that. And so I guess my, we

Speaker 1 (1h 5m 42s): Have to evolve and grow. Right.

Speaker 0 (1h 5m 45s): You know, it blows my mind too. I just, I spoke with professor Ameritus from duke university, Dr. Alan Buchanan. He wrote a book called the evolution of morality. And he talks about the guy is brilliant. You know, I wish I could talk to him more. He, he went on to talk about some of the problems with, with morality and he likened it to Darwinism, but then it got me thinking, like, if Darwin is wrong about the conscious mind, what else is Darwin wrong about?

You know, like probably everything, you know, that this is crazy to say, but probably everything. And that's okay.

Speaker 1 (1h 6m 27s): I mean, I do think those, those explorers at that at the time that they were trying to come up with a theory or determination was based on limited, limited resources. Right. It's kind of like looking at the stars without a telescope. You know, I think right now we're at a point where we're calm, we have more bigger and better telescopes that are allowing us to see more farther in the distance. And so, yeah, I, I, a hundred percent agree with that. So

Speaker 0 (1h 6m 56s): I think it explains a lot of what's happening in our world. Because imagine if you grew up on these ideas, you know, we talked about how, if you were given something as a child, you take that under relationships you have, what, if you were given this education and you've known it for a hundred years, you, you, it's difficult to maintain the neuro-plasticity as you move through later in life. And so once you become calcified, once it becomes hardened, you can't even see the forest through the trees. It's like, Nope, this is what you are a big dummy that's, it's Darwin, it's this, but we're changing.

And it doesn't mean that those people have to be dumb or they have to be wrong. It's just that it's different. And I think people are so caught up in this black and white, well, if I'm wrong, what else does that mean? What else am I wrong on? So people don't want to give that up. Have you seen some of that in society and in some of the people you talk to?

Speaker 1 (1h 7m 47s): Oh yeah, absolutely. Cause it's, I mean, it's a belief, it's the only way it's only the only thing that they know the, the idea of wrong or right. And, you know, whatever is wrong or right. Is just based on what two pop people agree upon. It's like the currency system, the only reason why we have a currency system is because, you know, two people said, okay, this is what we're going to exchange in order to create value. So, you know, all of United States says, this piece of paper is worth something. And that's why it's a note. You know, it has ha it has value behind it.

So the idea of being wrong or right, is just based on what two people are going to agree upon it to be right or wrong. There is no right or wrong. It's just what allows us to be the vehicle of change. You know, even, I, I love what you're talking about with, with, you know, the, it is, the evolution made me think, like currency is even alluding, like we're looking at money and even seeing that kind of shifting with Bitcoin and things like that of like it needing to evolve to a different source because it's valuation he's even going down because of other things that is out of our control.

So, yeah. So, but yeah, like the evolution, what is right or wrong, it's just based on what people at that moment are going to say is right or wrong, but there is no right or wrong. It's just what allows us to kind of get by, in my opinion,