Speaker 0 (0s): Yeah, I agree. It's on the topic of evolution. There's a fascinating book. There's two books. Then I'll go through them rather quickly. There's a book called the breakdown of the bicameral mind by Julian James. And he was a, he was a scientist slash philosophers, just all around brilliant person. I think he came out of Berkeley. I might be butchering that, but he wrote a book about left brain, right brain. And in this book, he's, he, he says that we used like the broker's area and Veronica's area or the speech centers on the left hemisphere of the brain.

However, he makes the argument that those centers used to be on the right side of the brain. And if you read the Homeric verses, if you read the great philosophers of the Greek and the Roman gods and these types of, of era poetry, w a common theme you find in them is like Aries came to me, or Mars came to me. The, the, the God of war spoke to me and told me, I must go into the gates to fight Agamemnon. And, you know, Aphrodite came to me and told me that this is the woman of my dreams, and I need to go and, you know, sweep her away from this evil man she's with.

And so, and we, today, we look at that as metaphor, we look at like, oh, he was, he was overcome with anger, but Julie and Jane says, no, this was a voice they heard in their head. Each one of them heard Mars when they heard a voice talking to them. And when there was an angry voice, it was Mars. When it was a voice of love, it was Aphrodite. Maybe it was Zeus. And you know, it was the emotions made sound. And it's such a fascinating book. He goes on to backup what he says in, in doing psychic and doing work with today's schizophrenia, because schizophrenia hear voices and he would talk to some of these schizophrenia.

And he says, you know, I realize you hear a voice in your head that tells you to do evil things, but why do you do it? And the schizophrenia says, you don't understand. It's not just a voice in my head. It's like having someone this close to me, yelling at my face, and you're going to hurt this person now, or I am going to keep doing this no matter where you run, no matter where you go, that face, that voice is inside your head, and it will not stop yelling at you until you do it. I have to do it. And he draws this comparison. He goes, doesn't that sound a lot like, you know, the Homeric verses where Achilles was thrust into to start killing people.

And like, it's just, it breaks down the evolution of the bicameral mind. And then he talks about how it potentially migrates to the left hemisphere of the brain, which were Ian McGilchrist comes in. He wrote a book called the master and his Emissary. And he says that the left brain is the, now has the speech centers. And so the right brain comes up with the concepts, but the left brain expresses them. And the left brain has gotten a little cocky and decides he doesn't need the right brain anymore. So he's decided to do away the emotion and just become the analytical scalpel and talk about things and rationalize things.

And so when people are left brain today, that we've gotten away from what you were talking about earlier about the right hemisphere of the brain, seeing the beauty and the love and the concepts and the artwork in the world. And it just, it just kind of makes senses to see that the hardcore logical analytical world we live in today is so left brain. What, what are, can you talk a little bit more about the left brain and right brain and what you think about?

Speaker 1 (3m 30s): Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's, that's a way for us to comprehend it, but it it's, it's, it's all energy in, in the brain. It's a muscle. And what that book is talking about is neuroplasticity. You know, we, we can, we can train and evolve our mind and create connections between the right and left brain and almost become friends with this analytical logical mind, because it's not a bad aspect of us. There's no bad or good.

It's just, it just is. So when we learn what it is and learn how to work with this thinking mind, analytical mind, which is it's a, it's a good aspect to be able to help us grow, but it serves its purpose to a point like the right side of the mind is more subconscious, more creative, more physical, more emotional. It's kinda like why would you get in a car and try to drive with your thoughts? You know, being on your mind and like, you're not going to be, you're not going to drive with your left left side of the brain. You're going to learn how to tap into your physical body.

So it can put your hands on the steering wheel and actually drive. And we have to create an open connection. I say, we have to be like children. We have to go back to being like children who are so connected and so open, you know, and, and just connected to all aspects of their mind and kind of hold that place. Even in adult adulthood, we create this division between the two minds. And then we say we have a left and right brain, but we can train ourselves. I feel to have an open brain where it's not really divided in left and right.

It's, you know, you have your analytical mind or thinking mind or linear aspect of the mind when you need it during certain situations. But then you also have this more esoteric and feeling and creative aspect of the mind and helping it all just become more solidified and, and working with each other, you know, for me, meditation hypnosis and things like that can help with that, that openness, because, you know, we, we don't know all the abilities. We really don't and, and what we can do, you know, we're, we're, we're still understanding where we came from, who we came from, how we were evolved, you know, going back to Darwinism and whatnot, but we definitely have the ability to, to change, to change it.

We can choose to, to be more open to different things, as opposed to linear and logical and a right or wrong way. You know, we, we do have to train it. So the muscle it's, it's all training. It's like lifting a weight and then, you know, five pounds and then lifting 10 pounds the next day, it's going to be hard. People are going to resist it. They're like, no, no, no, no, no. My way is the only way. And, you know, we have to kind of challenge ourselves and be, and, and be open to the possibility more the possibility of what if, what could be there, you know, of even looking at being like, oh, maybe Darwin, didn't know everything, maybe Einstein didn't know everything and not be so held to those beliefs, those narrow ways of seeing, seeing life that's that, that for me is, is, you know, letting go of left side dominant and stepping into right side.

But it's allowing it both to be opening, connected, creating those pathways of connection between both aspects of our mind. You know, we don't want to shut off or reject or turn off the part of us. We just want to create a connect, connected mind, pliability neuro-plasticity if you don't use it, you lose it. Right.

Speaker 0 (7m 13s): Right. It's so true. It blows me away. Even in this conversation, like, I, you know, like why would I describe it left brain, right. Brain? Like, that's think about the speech. I said, it like that. That's silly. Like it's its whole brain, but I'm, I'm over here, like left brain, right. Brain. Like

Speaker 1 (7m 28s): How we understand things. Right. And that's, that's a thing. So language is a way for us to understand things. And we have to find that common pattern in order to then carry us to different concepts and ideas. Right. So sometimes, and that's the part, the part about communication, it's it doesn't matter what I say. It matters how you interpret it. So even when you asked me earlier about, about diversity versus any inequality, like those words, I wanted to clarify what those even mean for me, the definition behind it. Cause we misconstrue like what words mean to us because they mean different, you know, they do so right.

Left brain is kind of like a meeting ground for us to bring you out, to bring you out to the other. That's how most people view it. So yeah.

Speaker 0 (8m 15s): Yeah. That's, that's beautiful. I believe the world is made of language. And you know, when we talk about how as a child were given these things, imagine I think it was Terence McKenna who says, you know, imagine what we do to children. Like imagine being a baby in a crib and this beautiful little hummingbird flies in, and the kid just sees this crazy magical little beast, flapping its wings. And it's gorgeous. It's like making this little beautiful sounds and the baby sees a miracle. And then I just go and ruin it and go, that's called a bird dog, Johnny, that's a bird.

Like I've just taken away all the magic from it. Right. It's gone.

Speaker 1 (8m 53s): And

Speaker 0 (8m 53s): We do that all the time. Yeah. And like we labeled stuff to, to make it fit in this tiny little box so we can store it. But when we do that, we eliminate the magic and the beauty of life. Like it's, it's not that you're Ann Marie, you are this incredible woman that has so much blood is helping people. She's seeing things. She's conquering things like, you know, we're more than labels. We're more than words and the world is made of language. What do you think?

Speaker 1 (9m 21s): Oh, I love that. I love that so much. The labeling definitely takes away from the beauty. I mean, when you think about a caterpillar turning into a butterfly like that is just that a Morphosis to the nth. I mean, come on. That is magic happening right there. Like when I had a conversation during med school, when we were doing, when we were, we were embryology, you know, we were learning about embryology and how, when a fetus is created, how this folds into this and this folds into this, and it creates the heart and creates the ears and it creates the hand and this folds in this fold and this folds.

And I'm like, but how, but how, how does he know no to fold? Like I want to know like, like how, oh, well, this chemical is released and then it knows to fold. How does the chemical know how to release? Like how, like, I want to know the essence of the why, honestly, for me, it's magical. Like, it's just, it's just a magical that that that life is created. And because a medicine does not explain it, it does not explain it.

And that's why we even have medical conditions like idiopathic conditions. This there's, there's a huge lump sum of, of medical conditions, which they lumped under this disease called idiopathic. Have you ever heard of that Catholic? Yeah. Idiopathic disease is basically when I was in med school. Cause I was like, well, what caused this disease? I'm doing like pathology at the time. And they're like, well, we don't know. That's why we're calling it idiopathic. I'm like, that's the idiot dancer.

There has to be an answer as to why, you know, these are these diseases that seemed to come out of nowhere being greeted. And when I learned about emotions and when I learned about the subconscious mind, it just, it answered everything. I'm like, no, this is not idiopathic. This is the pattern of us feeling sad of us, of our beliefs, of our depression, of our anxiety. Every idiopathic condition is tied to stress it like, hello, can nobody see that pattern then?

Why are we not focusing on just living more balanced, aligned? Stress-free understanding these emotions, how to let go of them, how to transform them. Like the butterfly, like the caterpillar turns into the butterfly. Yeah. It's just like magic is the answer for everything. It is that energy source that we just cannot, not even doctors medicine. No. You ask a doctor about embryology. And if you can find an answer as to why that chemical is released and they may say it's big, oh, well this release, this chemical release and causes this to release and this to release.

But how do we, this pattern of life of, of cycles. It's like the reason like the moon circles around the earth, you know, women have like, for example, their monthly cycle, like it is everything is a pattern in a cycle, as you say, and you know, a hundred percent aligned with that, that yes. And that that cycle is life and that's the magic, right? That's, that's the magic for me that we take away with labels.

Speaker 0 (12m 34s): Yeah. Yeah. It's in some ways, language is our greatest gift, but it's our greatest suppression as well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12m 42s): I agree. It's a meeting ground, but then it's like, you know, it's, it's a way for us to be able to have these discussions and connect people. And you know, I was watching a documentary on the fifth kind is like YouTube channel that talks about, you know, what, okay. You know, I need to have this documentary. It's like this four hour. It's really good. Of course. And I'm maybe seeing it and you know, they were talking about the tablets that they found in these, like the ancient, like, you know, communication and, you know, it's, it's, it all was a way to just data to Trent to allow it, to make sure like we all are, are not losing these concepts, these metaphors, these understandings of, of life.

And when we make that turn more into more than what it is, then that's when I think it's a disservice to us, right. When that, that becomes the only answer kind of like idiopathic disease. That's not the end. That's not the, you know, and that's what I also see with, you know, when I have clients come into my office and they, you know, and they have been diagnosed with diseases before from a, from a doctor and I'm like, you know, they become so tied to that, that then it becomes the issue. It's like, oh, well it's my this, and it's my that.

And it's my this, and it becomes our identity. And that's when that label becomes so tied to them that it's not serving them at all. You know, it's, I like to say, it's kind of like, you know, everybody go can go through a remission. We can be let go of these, these labels or these parts of us. We just, you know, have, have to learn how to heal, like to like go with them. But it's not who you are. That's not you, these like diseases and conditions. It's just, it's just, you know, it's, everybody has emotions, for example.

Speaker 0 (14m 26s): Yeah. I, I love the metaphor of the cocoon. It's just like a silk worm spins a web. It gets caught up in it. So do we spend our lives and get caught up in it? Right. And then pretty soon, all we can see is this cocoon around us, but on a, on a, on taking it one more level further, I think that that's where we are as a world right now. Like we're, we are cracking out of this cocoon as a butterfly. We've been a caterpillar forever. And all of a sudden we've gone into this deep sleep where we've just had labels and gone through emotions. And we right now we're cracking open this, Hey, what's this internet thing, Hey, what is this?

Like, we don't even realize our own form and how beautiful we are. We're like, I don't feel right. This is weird, you know, but we're going to emerge as this butterfly that is going to take flight and just surprise the very depressed among us, how beautiful they are, you know, like it blows my mind. It reminds me of one other concept of, I might mix up these two words, but it's have you ever heard of the theory of recapitulation, like phylogeny, recreates, phylogeny or something along those lines?

It says this, it says that when we are born, we go through every stage of our evolution to the process. So when you're born your first year, like a little swimmer, like, like you'd be a spur, like little swimmer sea creature, and then you meet an egg and then those two cells unite. And then if you were to watch a sonogram and watch the baby develop as they're being born, what you would see is this egg begin to, to divide cells. And then it becomes like a little sea creature. It grows a little tail. And then it kind of looks like a little monkey. You know, I don't know. I don't really think we came from monkeys, but the theory of recapitulation says that we go through every stage of our human evolution in the womb when we're created it's, it's, it's pretty fascinating to think about.

And there's so many, if you look up the theory of recapitulation, it, it will, it will tell you in detail and give you the ideas of, of who came up with this stuff. But it it's fascinating. And it totally reminded me of what you said about our evolution and how we go and patterns. And it just fits the motif. We were talking about how everything, how we are a pattern. And if you look for the pattern, you can see it everywhere and yourself and other people. And once you can identify that pattern, I think that's when you can really start helping yourself and other people. And that's why we went through those traumas of like, okay, I went through the pattern now it's my turn to help someone else through the pattern.

And it, it, it just shows like, Hey, we're the same person. And you know, what you see in other people is only what you can see in yourself. So if you can only see if everyone around you is an a-hole, everyone who's bad. Guess what? You're bad. You should find the beauty in that other person, because otherwise you're going to see, speaking of beauty, look at this beautiful little girl. I love you lady. What's up? Yeah. Go ahead. Drink some water. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's a, I don't know what I would do without her. She's got her own podcast. This girl.

Speaker 1 (17m 21s): Nice. Good for her.

Speaker 0 (17m 24s): Yeah. I had some other questions written down. I wanted to ask you. Let me see. Are you doing okay on time? Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (17m 29s): Yeah. I'm good. I love this stuff, man. I can speak to

Speaker 0 (17m 34s): V2 cause I wrote down like a bunch of pages. So let's see what we got here. Have you noticed an uptick in issues of mental health since the outbreak of this pandemic or since the economy kind of crashed?

Speaker 1 (17m 49s): Definitely more awareness. I think because people are able to be with themselves more and, and you know, we're, we're limited to distractions out, you know, cause we can't go out or, you know, there there's such a huge transformation even in the job market. Like I remember recently listening and a lot of people are leaving, you know, their, their jobs because they want to find more balance. So now corporations are trying to increase all these benefits because they wanna they're they're they don't have employees.

And because people are becoming more aware, a hundred percent feel that we're becoming more aware of this life and that, that it is precious and it is a gift and it is an experience that you have the ability to, to manifest it or create it to what you want. So I'm definitely seeing a huge uptick in awareness and people wanting to help help themselves because of that.

Speaker 0 (18m 50s): Yeah. I think so too. I, I really think that there's a lot of people that COVID has helped in understanding like, or waking up, like, what am I doing every day? Every day I wake up and I leave my family and I go somewhere else. And then I drop my kid off at a place that I don't really know. And then I come home, like, what am I doing? This is the, this is the exact opposite of what I should be doing. You know, it makes me it's, it's just, I think we're headed towards a really good place.

And it's because of the crisis that we're in. And I, because I think crisis is lead to good places, you know, they're they happened for a reason. Right?

Speaker 1 (19m 29s): Yeah. And people are seeing also, you know, I have to, again, commend like technology it's if, because of the technology that now, even people are more open to where having greater reach reach, and we're able to create our lives that are, that, that give us the freedom maybe to be in a beautiful island lake Hawaii and all this. So, you know, do a podcast and have reach and, and, and, you know, do what feels good and passionate.

You feel good about, you know, and, and that's, that's the awareness that people are, are, are coming to, I believe, you know, having these, these, these platforms like this to meet people no matter where they are. And you know, there are more platforms like this that are becoming more evolved and better, even at how it does its service, just because there's more of a need now. And so I think that's helping us to create more balance in our life.

The technology, you know, there's obviously like another side of it that we can look at where it's like, some people will say, oh, it's it's, it's, it's not, it's good. It's isolating us and whatnot. I mean, that is for you to choose, to not isolate yourself. Then it's, she's still have that balance that you feel is right for you to be able to engage with others, but also, you know, have maybe freedom of pursuing a job that allows you to be remote remote. Cause you're seeing that now people are wanting to go specifically to jobs that are remote and then, you know, corporations are be like, no, no, no, come back to the office.

And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, I can do this here. And I just, just fine. So why,

Speaker 0 (21m 13s): Yeah. I hope that that's what people like. That's one thing I hope people take away from COVID like, instead of this being a pandemic, maybe this is what freedom looks like. Maybe this is the beginning of what the future is going to be. And I think it's anybody's game, you know, technology is not good or bad. It's it's neutral. It can be, it could be the greatest liberator or it could be the greatest suppressor. And it's just what we choose to do with it. Right? Like it's, it's there for everybody. And, and in a way I think things have always been so crazy.

It's just, now we know about it and the question is what are we going to do about it? And so I think I really do. I think we're headed towards some, some, a world in which education takes new forms and it equalizes as much as I can the world around us. You know, I, I, I, I'm curious like information is everywhere. I'm curious what you think about this. Like when I think about psychology and philosophy and in hypnosis, like it seems that a large part of it has been used to dictate people's beliefs to them.

Like you were saying that some doctors will prescribe medicine to people and they become that reality. They become the, oh, I am, I have diabetes. So that's why I'm heavy. I have schizophrenia. That's why I'm crazy. I have depression. That's why I'm not fun to be around. And they've taken these labels because we, on some level, medicine has decided that it's good to give people labels. And what do you, what, what is your take on that?

Speaker 1 (22m 56s): So it, it there's, there's, it's, it's like the placebo effect. So we have the placebo effect because belief is very powerful, the power of belief. And so if we believe that's what it is, that's what it is. And I mean, this is, this is kind of a deep concept for people to kind of wrap their heads around. But you know, we, the power of belief can eliminate a lot.

Good. You sparked spoke about books. I don't know if you've heard Tom Campbell, he power the, the big toe and he's a physicist. He, the big toe, which is the theory of everything. The toe is theory of everything toe. And you know, he, he talks about this and they're very, very good. I mean, he's a physicist. So he's able to kind of put the science, biological mindedness to the metaphysical world in there. And you know, how, how it's explained. It's just that we, we, we, we, we culturally create our reality.

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No, no, no. So he's a physicist. Yeah. It's a really good book. It's a dense book. It's, it's, it's a good read, but it's a very big read. And collectively as a culture, we are creating beliefs. So if you think about, you know, my phone, you know, the only reason why we have phones is because collectively as a society, we have created a phone. So now this is a physical reality. So the same thing with the building that I'm living in, I did not manifest this, but the society has manifested. So society creates this, this realm, this reality that we're in, right?

It's like a dream world that we're in. That was, that is an illusion in a sense, it's a collective illusion and we can not change its collective illusions because we're kind of vibrating in this realm of this collective illusion and, and medicine is the same way. So beliefs of diseases are the same way are, you know, it is, it is a big, big, big, big, big, big placebo, because we are, it's so deeply ingrained in us as a society right now. And I mean, in my line of work, I've seen some miracles.

I see the miracles that have, that have happened. That is just like you, you, you have to experience that to actually believe the power. I believe that that, that the mind can do these things. When we eliminate ourselves from these collective illusions of false reality, that is not real. And that's why I said, this is going to be a deep, this is kind of a deep hill. And I don't know, it was hard for me to even swallow. And I still continue to learn how to swallow this by taking in, you know, reading and meditating and learning and, and whatnot.

But you know, the, we are experiencing a big placebo even around how we treat, you know, how to live. Our building that we live in is almost like a big placebo, because there are so many people that bought into this manifestation, this creation, you know what I mean? So everybody like multiple, like if you think about a thousand people believing in one thing, then like you're one person that doesn't want to believe in that. It's, it's, it's like you're fighting against the current because that current is going in this direction.

Right. And, but for the people that really, really, really believes something, they can kind of step out of that, that current and not believe, not see them, not see that I'm explaining this clearly.

Speaker 0 (27m 6s): It's beautiful. And it's like, I hadn't, I didn't even think about that. But now that I, now that I listened to the way you put that, it seems like there is a large, like if you look at our society, it's been engineered that way. Like that is no child left behind. That is every kid should learn the same thing in every school that is the people on top wanting us to live in a world where we think the same and I could understand why they would want to do that for national unity or

Speaker 1 (27m 33s): Some order, some order, because it helps them. It helps. Right. There's nothing wrong or right about this. So it's, it, it is an order. It's a way of being able to construct something, to be able to understand it, because it's kind of like the ant on the floor, you know, looking up, seeing the dust particles in the air and thinking that stars like it's, it's, they have their own perception that they have to be able to grasp upon their experience. And we are the same way. Like we have to grasp on this experience.

We're having no matter how real or not real, it may seem. So it's kind of like the ant, like we just have to understand what we're experiencing and, and, and be okay with not knowing things that we don't know.

Speaker 0 (28m 20s): Yeah. Yeah. It makes, it makes it's beautiful. I, it just, it makes my mind explode. I, I think that there's so many people trying to keep this illusion alive and like, nobody wants it anymore. It's like, this illusion is dumb. I don't want it anymore. I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (28m 36s): Yeah. I mean, I I'm I'm trust me. I'm, I'm, I'm the hippie where I'm like, let's just go hold hands and sing kumbaya. Right? Yeah. I mean like, why, why do we have to have, you know, these, you know, you know, animals are huge for me and children and animals. I mean, that's like the main thing it's like, no matter what, I still see these people going through trauma, you know, and it's, it's, it's not easy.

It's definitely not easy to watch and, and, and be okay with, but I'm, I'm telling you that when you, when you gain an understanding of that, this is not the only reality that we have. I, to kind of pull it back, that this is not the only reality that we have, that we have other realities that are beyond this physical existence. It really creates a sense of like, I can live. I can just let go and trust that, you know, that it's, it's going to be okay.

You know, and, and that I don't need to rush or push or force. I can just kind of let, let the, you let everything involve the way it needs to. And unless someone have that experience and hope that they grow and learn from it, I then they eventually will grow and learn from it. There's another really, really, really good book. I mean, I'm, I'm esoteric, I guess, spiritual and, and there's, you know, Michael Newton, who is, he does like between lives hypnosis.

That's what his, his model of approaches like between lives and his name is Michael Newton. He's well known for that. And a lot of people know about hypnosis being like past life regression work. I don't do that. I focus on present life. It has its place. I'm not not saying that it doesn't, but for me, I like to focus on present life because there's a lot of work we can do in present life. And so Michael Newton really explored this life between lives exploration. He found that when he was taking people on these past life experiences, that they would pop into this like life between lives experience, that was spiritual, the spiritual and world reality experience, whatever.

And man, not that he he's collected like tons of tons of, you know, re research reports from people that he did this on and their answers are all like the same. It's like, how do these people come up with the same answers of like soul contracts or, you know, their, their, their soul groups or, or their purpose, or, you know, just a lot of answers that just made complete sense when I did it. And I did it on myself of course, and had that experience.

And, and when you, when you go through that, it's just like, wow, like there's, there's so much to this non-physical world that is there. And, and, and that we took a kind of side turn, but I highly encourage anybody to read, read that if, if, you know, if you're looking for discovery, wanna just understand like who we are on a more essence, like on a, on a more ener energy, like spirit, self journey of souls or journey of souls is, is his book.

And it's so good. And it just answers so many questions. And it's really great research. He's a pioneer in regards to the hypnotherapy field doing that, what is a soul contract? So we basically, you know, in like between lives, we, we, we have almost like these groups that we are evolving as a spirit with, and we work with them.

That's why we, we may meet people that feel like we've known them from about this life. Or we feel just this instant connection with certain people. And it's because we have known them from, from the spirit realm are that realm. And we meet people on a deep level, and we basically come to an agreement that they're going to teach us a lesson. And so speaking about kind of what I brought up earlier is that we say, you know, we want to evolve as an energy.

We want to, we want to grow because the only way for us to be able to become wise is to experience. It's kind of like reading. You can read the menu at the restaurant, but until you actually take that bite of food, that is like the experience, right? And so the Spirit's the same. It wants to experience it. That's how it learns. That's how it becomes wise and grow. So we come into our life form in order to be able to do that. So we make agreements with people within our group, or maybe even outside of our group that we became friends with, Hey, like, this is what I need to, I want to learn.

I want to learn how to control my emotions or to, to have compassion or to really experience love, or to, you know, to, to, to have these lessons in life. So we have a contract with someone to help us learn those, learn those things. And so we even almost go through like a school to kind of give us these cues within our life, which are called synchronicities. And so the synchronicities are the cues to kind of, you know, gravitate to this. That's why things will happen.

You're like, you just feel like I need to follow this, or I need to speak with this person, or I need to do this. And, and then that becomes this beautiful synchronicity that turns into like these amazing, like who knows life changing events, or, you know, becomes your partner or whatever it is. And it's because you know, these, these, these are the cues that we were kind of kind of prepared for before we came into this life to fill our contracts with one and another. So it's an agreement that we have with different people or different spirits to be able to learn things in this experience.

Speaker 0 (34m 48s): I love that. I've never heard of that before. And I better because I heard that. Thank you. It's beautiful. It makes, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (34m 56s): You're going to love, you're going to love his, his content, Michael Newton's, and he's written three named books, the journey of souls, destiny of souls and life between lives. And it's just all about him doing this, this hypnosis, and then finding, and it's the reports from these people. So he kind of collects them all and just gives like the overall responses that they had. And it's profound.

Speaker 0 (35m 24s): It is. It sounds amazing to me. Yeah, I've had, I think, you know, I've had some interesting experiences too, on the concepts of time and, and after you've had certain experiences, is th th there's no going back, you know, there's no, once you leave the illusion, you can never have that illusion without skepticism again. And it's, in some ways I think that maybe some people need to go through this. Maybe it's it's, they need to go through the illusion first.

Maybe they're at a different time than us, or, you know, because time is such an amazing concept. We're talking across time zones. If you live in a different country, you could be in a different day. If you know what, like, I think the Israeli calendar in the Saudi Arabian calendar, like they're in different years, you know, the Russian calendar is different. Like why, why is our time, right? Maybe, you know, maybe it is the year 900 right now, you know, who am I to say? It's the year 20, 22, you know? And you can find evidence in, in that particular idea of how people that are living in different parts.

And, but yeah, I got to reread, I got to read that stuff. So it sounds amazing to me, it sounds super amazing.

Speaker 1 (36m 36s): It's fascinating.

Speaker 0 (36m 38s): It really is. What else do I have on here? I have, Do you, are you familiar with the different types of, is there like a certain type of psychology you use when you talk to people? Or is it something you've kind of invented on your own? Is it like a gestalt therapy or what, what are you familiar with and what do you like to do and what do you like?

Speaker 1 (37m 1s): Yeah, yeah, I do. I do just all I do. I do that type of therapy. You know, I, I parts work. I, I AFS, like, those are kind of what I bring in, but I do that while they're in a trance state, while when they're in that relaxed, more trance state, I do regression where we look at a past event or memory or experience in order to reframe how you experienced it, because most people will look at something and maybe they're charged about it.

So an example would be, let's say someone's terrified of swimming. And I live in Florida, so I have, oh, you're in, you're in Hawaii. So I love the beach. I look really great. And you know, I'm not scared of water and water is fine. I can swim in, it can be, there can be sharks way below. I'm okay. I've been scuba diving, so I'm good. But other people they can be in like maybe waist, deep water, and they're terrified, terrified. So there's nothing it doesn't have to do with the water has to do with the way that they view the water, the, the emotions.

And so I helped them kind of shift the perspective or create new pathways on viewing how to view the water, because what created that perspective is a, is an event or memory. You know, it's an event of memory or a trauma that made them physically react in that way. And so I communicate with the subconscious mind in past memories to see what, what we need to do in order to come to a different view, a different way of viewing it. So then you're not perceiving it the same way. So that's regression work. I focus on present life regression.

I don't do a lot of past life. I, I can, I'm able to, I do it, but that's not my focus. I believe that we can chose to come into this life and we chose to come to this life to learn and grow. So there's a lot of growth so we can do in this present life. So I like to focus on that. What other, I mean, I, I mean human, so, and this is probably why some of my clients do come to me is because I'm, I do have that coaching way of approaching a person as opposed to authority figure, you know, I want, you know, I share metaphors or experiences too, for them to be able to understand, because when someone comes to you for help, there's this almost immediate fear of re of judgment.

And it's, it's in a lottery that we have. We fear judgment. We know when someone's coming to me and talking about things that are, they have never spoken with anybody about, about before, and that's why they're coming. Cause it's something that's, you know, deep down, there's this letting go of judgment on that. I see you from a very different lenses, you know, from a lenses of being able to heal myself and help myself. And I don't see you as your energy and not what's on the outside connected energy.

I don't see you as a human in a sense like this in the human form. I see you, I see all your beliefs or ideas, which are limiting you as impressions from it that are not yours. You just took them on and made them yours, but they're not yours. And so there's no judgment. And so I approached my clients that way in a more like coaching manner of like, Hey, we come together and help you. You know, I I'm, I'm not here to, just for you to just vent, I'm going to help give you a way of something, but it's up to you to want that.

You know? So there's like a meeting in the middle that I use. And I also say that's also because of my past, you know, that, that mindfulness meditation, I'm big about that. Becoming the observer, like the more aware you are, the, you know, the more you can choose to change, you know, if you're aware of something, you have free will to be able to a different path, but you have to be aware of it.

Speaker 0 (40m 53s): Yeah. I agree. I it's, it's almost like you become the voice in someone's head to become the guiding voice. And it's like, Hey, I'm going to be in your head for a little bit. When should I do it? And then I'm going to leave and then you do it. You know what I mean? It's beautiful though. I find it. I find it. I find people that enjoy hoping other people to be beautiful. And so I'm loving our conversation. It's else You were saying that because it's true.

Speaker 1 (41m 25s): Oh. And you're helping people trust me the ability to speak out, to just like, you know, give, to beat, to be vulnerable with yourself. You know, you are human and you're letting people know that. And I think that is the most, I think that is already healing to make sure people know that they're not alone, that whatever they're posting on their Facebook or push a meeting is like, there are, we are human. We all feel feelings. And we all been through things and you know, you're not alone.

And I think that's, that's what we do when we share.

Speaker 0 (42m 4s): Yeah, I agree. I really think that there's something like I've been reading a lot of linguistics lately and you know, I think there's a problem while we talked about it earlier, while language is a great gift. It's also a problem. Especially when we begin changing, I guess language is always evolving. However, I read there's something called the St. Pier war theory, S a P I R C P or Wharf theory. And what it says is that the more complicated a language, the better communicators people are, for example, you know, some languages like in German, they have this term called Shodan Freud and Shodan Freud is one word.

That means the concept I get happy when something bad happens to you, you know? And you think like, oh, I've had that feeling before. I didn't know there was a word for it in, in the Japanese language. There's a certain word for the clouds, slightly covering the moon, but light still shining out of it. I forgot what that word is called, but there's, you know, there's these one word for this giant concept and, and the better and more elegant you are, the better command you have for us at the English language, the better you are able to communicate.

And you had spoke earlier about how, how crucial it is to define terms. Cause I could say something and it means something totally different to me than to you, you know? And what if, what if I was here in Hawaii and I was speaking to someone in India, they may, or I'll give you a better example. I was at a meeting with, am I at my child's school? And we were having a parent group meeting with counselors and some teachers. And one of the counselors asked, can someone please tell me what they want for their children and a beautiful young woman who was Japanese got up and said, I want my child to be obedient.

And I'm thinking, that's the last thing I want for my kid. I don't want, you know, my idea of obedience as someone do this, do this now, but that was not, she didn't want her kid to be that she wanted her kid to be respectful and kind and be a good person. However,

Speaker 1 (44m 18s): Yeah, they, the Asian culture is all about like community like serving the community.

Speaker 0 (44m 24s): Yeah. And so it's, you know, like a light went off in my head like, oh wow, it's so easy to get caught up our language, especially when we speak a same language, but it might mean something different. So, you know, I, I think that in the future, as I'm going off on this tangent, like, isn't it interesting that the tower of Babel was about all these people that spoke a language and then they were dispersed all over the world, you know, is that metaphor telling us that we need to be able to all communicate effectively if we want to build something great or is that saying, Hey, when you guys all get together, you're a problem.

We got to move you all around here. You know, I guess it could be said either way, but I really think that the future of linguistics is imperative is imperative for us to build the world we want to live and we need to be able to better understand how to communicate effectively. So, so I can see what you're feeling because, and this gets me back to what we were talking about masks and you know, like I am really enjoying this conversation and I can see the love in your eyes and I could see you smile and I can, I know you're having fun and I'm having fun, but there's something to be said about if we were sitting next to each other and that's something is called the felt presence of the other.

When you sit with somebody that you're trying to help, you could probably do it on the phone, but it would be less effective because you're not, you're not there with them. And when we're together, there's a felt presence of the other. And I feel like that is such an important part of linguistics because so much communication comes from more than words. I think that's a song, but there's more, there's more, there's something there. And I, I think this helps, I think it's nice to open up the world to have conversations across the world, but I hope we don't lose this felt presence of the other.

And I, I guess I, I guess I'm a little concerned with that with so much distance learning and so much work from home while the such benefits I'm afraid of losing the felt presence of the other way. Can you talk about that?

Speaker 1 (46m 27s): Yeah, no, I get what you mean. I, you know, I guess that's why I would not leave my live aspect of my practice because I like having that. But then again, there's like the ability to have a session with someone in the UK is awesome. You know, that, that maybe listen to my podcast or, you know, met me through some other means and just really aligns with how I, because it's building that trust and they're like, I really want to work with you. And being able to work with them across the U S is, is fantastic.

But also, yes, I, I do agree that there's, you know, there, there are more subconscious cues that you can pick upon pick up upon when you're sitting right next to each other, like even the direction of their feet, you can tell when someone's ready to step out and they're like, okay, don't let this conversation feed or turn that way. I want to go that way. You know, like if I can't see your feet, which I can right now, then, you know, you know, your turns out, you're looking here at the screen, you're, you're, you're facing towards these. So it's like, you know, those subconscious cues can be gained more person. I a hundred percent agree.

And I mean, I don't think we're going to a hundred percent lose that, you know, I, so I'm not as worried, like, you know, there are opportunities. I don't know how it is in, actually it wasn't Hawaii. I was in the big island. It wasn't too bad. That was in September in regards to like, you know, still having op options for us to engage, you know, and I'm where I am in south Florida. We have those options. So I'm not fearful that that's going to go away and I feel comfortable and safe with being able to engage, you know, in those environments, with who I'm engaging with.

So I, I, I'm not concerned that it's going to go away. I just think this is like the cherry on the top. It's kind of like another additive that that's there for us to be able to, to engage with people I'm not too concerned, but maybe it's says my optimistic side.

Speaker 0 (48m 28s): Let me ask you this. If, if, if Dr. Ann Marie could build the world and have a, and have a huge impact, if you could build the world 20 years from now, what are some things that would be in that world that aren't in that world today?

Speaker 1 (48m 46s): What would be in that world? Oh boy, that's a good question. Well, when 20 years from now, it would be in that world. What are some

Speaker 0 (48m 57s): Changes you would like to see?

Speaker 1 (49m 3s): I mean, things that I cannot change now, I do believe that, that there is an order and that it needs to start with the top to help trickle down. So I do believe that there needs to be big changes and influence in, in, in our government, you know, and, and our corporations.

And I do believe that there are corporations now that are becoming more mindful and in a sense, ethically, cautious. And I think that's where we would need to start at least to have representation that is not maybe focused on monetary gains or abundancies, and that nature, because we're even culturally stigmatized to, to focus so much on financial gain.

We think that is power. We think that is, that is, that is purpose. That, that, that financial wealth is, is kind of the end game, you know? And, and, and there's a lot of people within corporations and government that, that, that are doing that. So I think that that needs to change for us to see that the that's not, you know, and I've worked with people that are, that are very wealthy and, you know, they, they're not happy. Like, you know, you got all the money in the world and it's like, you know, so, so we're here. We all want the same thing.

We all want to, to feel peace. We all want to feel happy. We all want to feel balanced. And I, and I think if more people that are in control at the higher level can be able to become aware of that and kind of grow their own awareness and empathy. Then I think maybe that will trickle down. So I would, I would love for a lot of transformations to occur, but I have to start from the top, in my opinion.

Speaker 0 (51m 2s): Yeah. Here in Hawaii, we have a saying that says the fish rots from the head down, you can ask any picture of here, Fish and flowers.

Speaker 1 (51m 13s): Oh man. Yeah. I mean, Hawaii is, it's just, it's gorgeous. The culture is just it's. I love it. I loved it. The culture and the culture there is just so strong. You know,

Speaker 0 (51m 25s): It will change you. If you come and live here, they'll totally change. You there's no billboards over here. There was no advertising. Like, I didn't realize that until, you know, in Southern California, I grew up in a lot of my friends. I didn't realize how, how much I was influenced by the environment. But so many of me and my friends, we were pretty hard chargers and it would just booze it up all the time. And so much of my conversations were about, you know what I'm doing right now? Let's go, I got a new navigator. I got a boat.

Hey, guess what gives right live? You know, who I'm talking to right now, like so much of my conversations, like that was the conversation. And it was like, just this constant, like, you know what I'm doing? Oh yeah. Here's what I'm doing. Here's what I'm doing. And like, that was the whole conversation. And as I started, I moved to Hawaii in oh six. And I was like that for a long time. And then one day I got a call from my friend and the conversation was like, it was more him telling me these things he was doing. And I'm like, this guy is pretty arrogant. And I'm like, oh, that's me.

That's this is my conversation. I always have. I'm the arrogant one, arrogant chump, no wonder people think like that. I am that, you know, but it shouldn't be, it's being deconditioned over here. And I started thinking about like, I wonder why I'm like that. And then when I went home, like, I, I, you know, rented a car and there's, you're just bummed, bartered with like, here's the perfect family. You should drink this alcohol, look at this pretty girl, look at this guy, look at this girl, look at these clothes. It's everywhere. It's just like bombarding you.

How can you not feel inadequate when you're constantly bombarded by things that appear to be better? You know? And it's, it's this culture of corruption. It's this, it's this idea that money has seeped into anything and corrupted at, which brings me to an interesting question about, you said that perhaps one of the best ways to, to change things is to start at the top. And I think it's a similar force in corporations, government, and in people.

And that is this, this idea of corruption. You know, people, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I've kind of nailed it down to like, you know, it's the, it's the corruption. People are probably pretty good. And they, maybe they think that they are providing the greater good for people. But do you think as a doctor and as a therapist, you have helped people become uncorrupted and you've used different techniques to do that. Do you think that we could somehow use some of those techniques to change the society or the governments we live in

Speaker 1 (54m 1s): Right now,

Speaker 0 (54m 3s): Which is on a small scale? Like maybe we could start with like, what are some of the techniques you use to help people become uncorrupted? And then we could talk about if we could apply those to a bigger form,

Speaker 1 (54m 13s): Someone has to want to want it right. And that's, that's the biggest change is if they don't want it, then they're not going to do it. And so if they want to want it, then, then they'll do it. And that's just part of, part of their experience that they need to have. So like when I have people come to me and it's, they're not really fully aware of even what they want yet, you know, but in the end it's always peace and happiness. And so it's like balance peace, happiness, you know, time with family because it creates peace and happiness, you know, creates this, this purpose value within their life.

And when, when people can kind of become aware of their why behind something, then, then it's, it w it may be able to create change. So like people that are in large corporations or maybe heads of government or whatever, it may be, you know, if they go deep into the why, you know, okay, well, like had a client, they're like, you know, I want my company to be evaluated at, you know, 50 billion or whatever. And I'm like, okay, well, what will, what will come of that? I'll be able to buy a jet and fly around the world.

And I was like, okay, well, what will come of that? I'll be able to have free time and be with my wife and be with my kids and just travel around the world and my jet and drive. And I was like, okay, well, what will come with that happiness peace? And then it's like, well, you don't need to have this much in the bank in order to do that. Do you, you know, you're casing your why, but it's not, it's not really, it's kind of like you're going in this huge circle loop of like, you think that that's, what's going to get you that, but it's not right.

More money, more problems. The bigger his company got the bigger, the more, the more he was stressed and just having to worry about, you know, this process or this person or this deal. And it was just more, but obviously this person wanted simplicity, you know, they wanted to, to be happy. And I would say if, if we can just identify our why behind what we're doing, the real, why not the superficial, why? Oh, well I want to have a lot of money.

Well, why do you want to have a lot of money? Because people will accept me now and I can wear nice clothes and do this. Like, well, why do you want that? Because I just want to be loved. It's always about, like, it always goes to just wanting to be, you know, loved, accepted peace balance. It's it always goes back to that. And the I, the, I, the, the stigma that we create socially is that money is our way to get that.

But, you know, it's, it's, that's, that's the belief that that will get us that, but it doesn't, it doesn't really get us that. So I think the Y just, just really digging into the why we're doing things. And I guarantee you always go back to that. People actually sat with themselves and really uncovered that. Like, I would love to sit with someone and be able, well, we'll, we'll come with that. Come with that. It will stump them, you know, and people that don't want to listen though, will not listen.

You know, it's, they're just not, it's just, there's just, and that's fine, you know, that's just, you gotta right now. And we have to meet people where they're at in order to create change. You know, we can't, I can't create change with force and I'll have to, I have to kind of allow that change to occur by having them see the change, not me to see it for them, if that makes sense, you know?

Speaker 0 (57m 52s): Yeah. It totally does. It's, it's, it's, it's fascinating to have conversations with people you care about. And then like, you know, you, you're trying to talk to them and then like you just touch a nerve and they get super upset and you're like, oh, okay. I see where we're going. You know, I, I, I, I talked to some people at my work and I, and there's a, there's this older guy and a younger guy and the old, I feel bad for the older guy. Like he, he went down a wrong path and his life is very difficult right now.

And he, he's not ready to change, but there's a young guy that looks up to him. And I have, I tried to talk to that guy and I try to explain to him, you know, sometimes metaphorically sometimes straight to them, like, do you realize, like, do like you, this is your mentor, right? Yeah. Okay. That's your mentor, you know what I mean? Like, look, what's happening in his life. Do you think that what's happening in his life are a direct reflection of his decisions? Do you think that maybe you're making some of those decisions and if you are, is it possible that you could end up like that guy?

You know, God, I'm out of here and they walk away and it's like, ah, they're not ready to hear it. You know? And it makes me sad because I don't want that to happen to them. And, but it's necessary. These conversations are something I, people have. I've been, I've been on the opposite side of that and walked away and been mad and yelled back to it. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (59m 18s): Yeah. Oh, me too. Trust me. I had the, I had it the other day with my, with my boyfriend and, you know, I mean, it's, it's, it's part of being human part of the growth and just like learning how to accept where people are at. I mean, it's the hardest thing, especially when I will talk to parents that call me for their kids that are maybe using drugs. And you know, of course you want your child to change and the things is they need to want it. You know, it's it's, my mother is in recovery. Well, my mother's in recovery, so she's been sober.

But when, you know, she was using, it was like, I wanted so badly for her to change that I was doing the changing, I would search programs. I would, you know, try to hold her hand and do the work for her. And, you know, there, there came a day where I just was like, I gotta lift my hands, wash them and just be like, I can't live your life. You have to want it for yourself. And that was the day she said, I'm done. You know, it's like Jean needs to take empowerment to recognize that she was worthy of, of, of that.

And it was not easy and it's never easy. So whenever I talk to someone that's trying to, you know, that that's calling for someone else. I, I don't see them unless I talk to them. Cause I need to make sure that they want it. Cause honestly, I don't want to waste your money. Hey, you're going to waste your money. If you come to me, they need to want it. Like they may be just doing it just to shut you up, you know? And that's the reality of it is just, you have to allow people to live their experience. The only thing you can control is yourself. So be able to live by, by, I would say live by example first, you know, I, I, that is the biggest influence.

If you can live the life that you would want them to live, then you're influencing them far more beyond then, you know, do, as I say, not as I do, right? Like there's so many people that will do that. Tell people how to live life, but are they living life that way? And, and that's the biggest influence subconsciously too, to just demonstrate, demonstrate that, you know, demonstrate peace, demonstrate, love, demonstrate, compassion, demonstrate, forgiveness, demonstrate all of that.

And then, you know, they're going to want a piece of that because you're living in this place of lists all the time, then, you know, living in this place where you're just like, Ooh, good.

Speaker 0 (1h 1m 42s): It's true. I often argue like, especially with, with the situation we're in now, I realize that I don't have all the facts and I am, I'm given just little scraps of information about what's happening, but there are people in positions of authority who feel it necessary and maybe rightfully so. I'm not sure, but to present the public with the greater good, like, yes, this is bad, but it's the best thing for everybody. Like, I have such a difficult time with that argument. And maybe it's because I'm not in a position to see all the numbers or something like that, but I don't, I don't believe that anybody should have the right to make the greater good argument.

And I go back and forth sometimes. But, you know, I, I just think it's wrong for me to decide for other people, cause I don't know what they're going through and people didn't know what was right for me when I was going through things. So maybe that's why I think that what is your take on the greater good argument in how to maybe look at it?

Speaker 1 (1h 2m 38s): Yeah, honestly, I too don't know enough to be able to say like, Hey, this is right for the greater good. I just, I just know that I, I feel, I know what's best for me, you know? And because I'm the only one that's in my shoes, you know, and that's the same thing as a parent, right? We, we can't know exactly what that maybe child needs. We've got to kind of explore who they are and what is it that they like and enjoy in order to be able to kind of help them find themselves.

We don't tell them who they are. So the idea of greater good is is, is definitely a hard pill for me to swallow. If you like 1, 1, 1 size fits all. I, I do believe like there's, there is common modalities in regards to how to live life that that are spot on. Right? So, so like love and you know, the common, common, the common concepts, you know, going back to love, forgiveness, compassion, and all those things.

Those are the only things that I think are good for the greater good.