Ladies and gentlemen, it's Friday. It looks like we made it. I hope everybody's having a beautiful day. I hope the sun is shining. I hope the birds are singing. Hope the wind is at your back. It is with great pleasure and excitement that today we welcome Dr. Randall Hanson, a healing advocate, educator, ethicist, and thought leader who is pioneering a healing revolution. Driven by a profound commitment to helping the whole world heal, Dr. Randall's groundbreaking work is redefining the way we perceive healing, particularly in the context of trauma, personal growth, and the intentional use of psychedelic substances and plant medicines. At the heart of his mission lies the ancient yet profoundly relevant concept of healing, derived from the Old English helion. meaning to make whole. Dr. Randall's work challenges us to reflect deeply on what it truly means to be whole, to mend not only our physical wounds, but also the emotional and spiritual scars that shape our lives. He knows firsthand the struggle of living dual lives, one dominated by trauma-fueled fears and the other filled with love, hope, kindness, and peace we all yearn for. Through his transformative books, Triumph Over Trauma, and his latest release, The Healing Revolution Diet, Dr. Randall Hansen guides us on a journey toward complete healing. While Triumph Over Trauma explores holistic and integrative approaches to overcoming the burdens of past pain, The Healing Revolution Diet introduces a revolutionary framework for healing through food, nutrition, conscious choices. Together, these works empower us to rediscover our true authentic selves, the individual we desire, Dr. Randall Hanson, I left out a book in there. As I was reading that, I realized you have a whole trilogy out here. What was the other book I left out right there? The middle one, Heal, The Holistic Practices. And that book led me into the Healing Revolution Diet because when I was digging into that one more, I realized, yeah, the power of nutrition and healing. Yep. Yeah. It's been a wild adventure. It seems like, you know, just a few, it seems it went by so fast, but it seems like we were just talking about your first book not too long ago. You have been on a terror. You've got three books in and a couple of nonprofits lined up and you have an incredible partner in Mrs. Jenny Hansen over there. Who's always probably your rock and what an incredible partner. I'm so stoked that she's there with you. How have you guys been doing all this? Well, I would have to say plant medicine for sure. I think you know the story, but I'll just remind people that with Triumph Over Trauma, I had not planned to write any of these books, and I was on a beautiful LSD journey. And for me, that medicine is more mind expanding than healing, just in my experience for myself. I was sitting on a late afternoon. The journey was just coming down and I got this again, digital download, hard to describe. It wasn't a voice. It wasn't, it was an energy. It was, it's so hard. It's so crazy. And it basically, you know, was you need to write this book, ran inside, wrote down the outline that I was given. And that became the premise of trying for a trauma. And about. Seventy-five percent of the book is from that original outline that I got that that afternoon. And then in that process that as I was working on that, I realized, well, people that do psychedelics that, you know, that's just one element of healing. You know, we often do meditation, breath work, uh, go out in nature. And then of course the food we eat, a lot of, uh, ayahuasca has the dieta that we try to follow a better diet at least a month before you go on a journey. So that led to heal. And I was, um, microdosing LSD at the time. And, and Jenny was like, okay, two books is enough. We're done. We're good. But as I said, then with heal, as I was writing it, I just, I just started reading more of these books about the food industry and the manipulation that's been done to the food and to us and how we are. So many of us are just completely unaware. And so that led to the third book, the trilogy. And I can say almost definitely that it's going to be a trilogy. There's not going to be a fourth book that I'm aware of at the moment. There's definitely going to be a fourth book. There's definitely going to be one. You say that every single time. This is the last one, George. This is the last one. Well, you know, part of the problem too is when I read some, you know, and, and I, there's amazing books in all three areas and, and psychedelics are books way above mine in terms of depth and, and, uh, scientific delving. But what I've discovered is that, you know, my skill or my talent, I guess, is taking some of the scientific stuff that a lot of these writers just go down a rabbit hole, which for some of us, we love as readers. Yeah. Let me, let me go down that rabbit hole. But for the, typical reader, I could just see them looking at this rabbit hole and saying, I'm going to put this book down and maybe never coming back to it. So all three of my books that I love when a reviewer says something like, it's so easy to read or easily comprehensible, because that's my goal. My goal is to just get the information out there. And then I provide books and resources. If you want to dig deeper into, you know, how sugar and insulin resistance and diabetes and all that work within within the body sure here's a book to go you know dive into that but for me I just want you to understand that if you're eating this much sugar it's almost definitely going to lead to insulin resistance and that then leads to all these chronic illnesses so yeah that's that's my goal I like I said right now I'm not I don't have one on top of my mind, so we'll keep that. And plus the LSD is locked up for the moment. So no more books. You know, one thing I like, there's this pattern in all your books where it's not just your story, it's other people's story. And it's almost like you're writing it collectively, like sort of the collective unconscious is coming together to stream a message to the people that read it. And it allows for such a nuanced and like different dimensionality than most books. Like you have like perspectives from other people. A lot of times you have people come in, they'll work on a chapter and like, it's, I think on some levels, it's sort of the, you know, if I, if I, I sort of squint my eyes, I can see the future of books that I like. And it's like that it's a community writing a book together. And it's so interesting how that message seems to resonate. Like it has a deeper resonance when there's that many more people contributing. Have you noticed that as well? I, I, I, I know, but I know you're involved with a series like that also. And I, But I think it's true. I think again, no one person has, you know, the answers to everything. And the more we rely on community, the more sparks of new ideas and new answers to problems. And so, and for, for this book, yeah, I, I, it's so funny. I was talking to someone yesterday and they were saying, you know, why doesn't everyone follow the Mediterranean diet? It's the best diet in the world. And that's – know it's the opposite part of my book because my book is you have to find the diet and I don't mean diet in a sense of restriction but diet in terms of lifestyle in terms of the food you eat you have to find what works for you yes for some carnivore might work for others vegan but for the most the restaurants most of us are in the middle somewhere and you just have to find what works and so the storytelling in the book I love because all the storytellers went through cycles where they tried one diet maybe it was a fad diet and they lost weight initially which almost everyone does on one of these fad diets and then it stopped working for them or they got a little tired of the restrictions and then all of a sudden they gained another gained some weight and gained some when they you know quit the diet and then they kind of went back to whole foods but I think, again, so the bottom line of all these stories is, first, it's a struggle. It's not going to be something you just, today I'm quitting sugar and I'll never have another health problem. It's a journey. It's a process just like everything else. And I think, in my mind, a healing and health journey should be ideally going hand in hand. Yeah, I agree. There's this Ariadne thread, I think, that runs through all your books. And I found it. It came to me after... It's coming to me right now, to be honest with you. When I think about diet and I think about the food we eat, it seems that the Ariadne thread is that whatever is produced in misery... has something attached to it that promotes more misery. Like if you look at factory farming, like how can you eat factory farming and not be miserable, not feel miserable? Like there's something that's attached to that style of production that makes us sick. And I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's the way animals are treated. I don't know if it's the people that are producing it. Like I hate what I'm doing. And they imbue this hatred or this misery onto this very thing that you're going to, if you're consuming misery in any form, in any part of your diet, you're going to be miserable. And it's all around us. Misery is just being fed to us in this diet, whether it's in your job, in your food, in your lifestyle. How can something that's being produced in miserable conditions promote anything but misery? Is that too crazy to think about? No, I definitely know that. I a hundred percent agree with that with animals because- think about us as humans and we're, you know, pushing, squeezed into a tiny room and lots of people are there and some are sick and, you know, we're starting to get a little, oh, I'm agitated. My stress hormones start going up and, you know, yeah, I don't, I don't, I want to, you know, my, besides all the benefits of pasture raised meats, I think the, you know, I know some vegans will obviously disagree, but the idea that they're in their pasture one minute happily enjoying life and then next minute they don't know any better versus the feedlot where they are for several months in these tight quarters and muddy, gross conditions and given antibiotics, partly to fatten them up and partly because there's so much disease there, they need to give them antibiotics to keep the herd healthy. Yeah. I, and I totally agree with that. And you look at the industrial farming where, you know, the farmers are wearing hazmat suits, basically spraying these dangerous chemicals on the, on the food, you know, how can that be anything positive? And, and, you know, just by what they're wearing, you know, dictates, well, if they can't even breathe it, why should we be eating that food? So, yeah, you're right. You're right. And that's, to me, that's part of the problem. You know, I was having a discussion a couple months ago with a friend and I said, well, you know, almost everything in the grocery store is a landmine. And I said, I don't know why people don't understand that. And she said, well, we have a social compact who, you know, we assume that food for sale is something that's healthy for us. And so we don't even think about it. And it's like, wow, that was sort of a mind blowing thing because again, it should be, you know, if we were in a healthy culture, a healthy society, then everything in that grocery store should, or ninety percent at least, should be healthy. But it's the reverse. Maybe ten percent is truly healthy and the rest are dangerous products that are making us sicker. You know, whether it's obesity, heart disease going up, you know, all these things. And it's part of that broken system for sure. Yeah, it just... I know it's complex and I wish that there was a simple answer to it, but this idea of convenience and we've all got our lives that we're living and we're trying to make good decisions, but gosh, it's so tricky to think about know what you're eating and you know and on some level I gotta think a farmer that's you know they're trying to turn a profit and feed their family you know I live here in northern california and they just had this big you know help keep small farmers alive you know jay over here and it's you can see both sides of it I I and both two things can be true at once right so you see these people that are they're doing pretty good on their farms they're doing all right but that's how they make their living. And they, some of them treat their animals good. Some of them don't treat it that good at all. And you can see activists come in or like, we've got to shut this down. It's, it's complicated. It's messy. And you know, it is, have you in your research found a way where, like, how do we, how do we weed our, weave our way through this mess? Well, let me, uh, just tell you something funny that I thought about earlier today. Well, it's not funny. It's funny, sad, I guess, but you know, um, In plant medicine, we all look at President Nixon and kind of do our fist shake to him because that was the beginning of the war on drugs and the war on psychedelics. But he also started the war on small farmers because in the seventies, the same time, he pushed his agricultural secretary to say, we need much more production of soybean and corn, these monoculture crops that dominate our farms now across the country and really across the world. And to me, that's not real food. And I know some farmers get upset with me about this, but to me, the heroes are these small farmers that are growing actual food for us to eat. Soybean, I just have to give you a really gross statistic that hopefully will maybe make people stop and think a little bit. But on average, in the US, every person consumes about pounds of soybean oil a year that's about half a cup a day because soybean oil is the cheapest oil it's soybean production or crop growing is subsidized. So that's what makes it so cheap. And it's also in almost all fast foods, convenience foods, these ultra processed foods, as we call them. Sometimes it's labeled vegetable oil, which I think is bizarre. And then in parentheses, it says soybean oil. So think about that. Even a generation ago, two generations ago, we were consuming barely any of these oils. We were eating lard, we were eating butter, and now it's flipped. And now we're consuming this, that, and the other factor is the sugar. We consume about a hundred and fifty pounds of sugar per year. So that's about three quarters of a cup a day that we're kind of pouring down ourselves. And I think what you said earlier, convenience, it is wonderful in some ways, but in so many other ways, it literally is killing us. I get it. You're working a long day and you forgot to know take something out for dinner or you don't want to cook or you've been such a long day and you know there's that kentucky fried chicken or there's that burger king or there's that pizza hut and it's so easy the cars hey the car is kind of turning itself yeah and I and I did that too I did that too you know uh especially when I was you know kind of also I part of that for me was when I was still not dealing with my trauma food was a comfort food for me so you know, that fast food, even though it was that guilty pleasure, even though I knew it was bad. And so I eventually had to change the way I drove home because I, you know, I still wasn't on that healing journey at that point, but I knew it was wrong. And so I had to literally say, I'm not going to take that route. I'm going to go this way and avoid those fast foods and force myself to, to cook. But I think, you know, so many of these elements, you know, even Alexa, you know, or smart homes, which is convenient in one way, but it's causing people to just sit in their couches and never get up because, you know, tell Alexa to do this, turn the lights on, you know, turn the TV on, do all these things. And so, yeah, the modern society offers a lot of benefits, but we've lost a lot of things because of that convenience. yeah it's so heart-wrenching to think about you know I and there's plenty of blame to go around like it's you know we could talk about discipline the individual can be more disciplined and start taking the steps they need to live a better life ultimately I think that that's the only thing that changed it is each individual coming to terms with trying to become the best version of themselves, whether it's, okay, I'm not going to take, I'm going to take a new route home or you know what, I'm going to go for a walk today or I'm going to do this one little thing. And I think if everybody just did one little thing better than the world would be gun begin to heal on it. So, you know, heal through us on some level. What, what's your take? Does that seem like a decent strategy or what are some other strategies that you see? Yeah. Yeah. I love that strategy because yeah, I mean, whether it's a healing journey, a health journey or both. Yeah. it that it's overwhelming at times you're looking well how how do I become that better person that better me or how do I find myself sometimes you know or how do I you know how do I face that trauma that I know I had when I was eight but I I refuse to look at it because I'm so scared and it's just yeah it's just one step you don't have to face that trauma today you can start today by looking at an article or reading something from Gabor Mate about trauma and how to, you know, how to, how to look at it. And so, yeah, to me, it's just, it's, it's one step. Same thing with diet. You know, you don't have to totally start cooking from scratch tomorrow and learning how to cook and all that, but you can say, okay, well, tomorrow I'm going to skip sodas altogether. One step, one tiny little thing. I'm going to, tomorrow, I'm going to try to reach out to a friend that I cut off because of the election. And now I'm kind of like, I shouldn't have done that. You know, but yeah, just little steps. It drives me crazy a little bit. And you can tell me if I'm right or wrong, George, because you are the man. But I, you know, sometimes when I see some of these positivity memes, whether on LinkedIn, you know, social media somewhere, on one hand, I know what they're trying to say, like, live better today and I you know be kind today and I you know I I yeah I believe the philosophy but you know when you're when you're in in the midst of trauma you I you know you look at that and I say you know f you I can't be positive today I'm dealing with you know I am struggling so I walk that line you know I want to you know I I love the positivity messages but I think I always say You know, we can't, I don't think we can get the kindness or true kindness or true positivity until we work through what we've been dealt. And again, the more and more I look at the research, the more and more I hear all these stories, the more I, I just know that every single one of us has experienced trauma. in a wide range of things. And we all have something to get over. And it's hard when you, because you, especially if you don't remember it, you know, it's like, well, I don't have any trauma. And it's like, well, maybe the first step is sitting in that, you know, just sit in that. Do you really not have any trauma? And then you'll say, oh, well, you know, my dad got the belt out too many times when I was a kid. And sometimes he seemed like he was enjoying it too much. And but you know, that's just normal. That's just, you know, or sometimes he locked me in my room, like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. This is trauma. Whether you are, whether you've normalized it or not, you know, this is something you need to look at. And I think, so yeah, I think it's, it's just, I love what you said, finding a way each day, making some progress on healing yourself, improving yourself, finding yourself, living a better life yeah yeah I don't think you're wrong at all it's I think what you're saying in so many of the conversations I've had and in so many of the cool books that I've read in this time we're going through is like this evolution of awareness and it's this awareness that you know maybe you can't ever really heal the trauma. You can just sort of be aware of it, you know? And it's, it's so easy to get angry. Like I get angry. I've said all the time, I look back at stuff and I'm like, I can't believe that happened, you know? And then, and then I started feeling bad about myself. I was, you're a grown person. What's wrong with you? You're worried about something like that, you know? And I started getting mad and, but then you realize that that anger still serves a purpose. Like maybe, maybe you should, you know, maybe the idea of forgiveness is like, is not the right word. You know, I, maybe the idea of being angry is what allows you to set the boundary. So it never happens again. You know, maybe we just don't have the linguistic pathways we need. Like maybe pretty soon these ideas of like forgiveness and anger are going to be like folk psychology. Like just, they're just sort of like babble words. Like they don't really, they're so like, you know, you can manipulate them to mean whatever they want. And like, It's just so amalgamous. It's like it's not quite getting us to where we need to be. We don't have a clear linguistic pathway. And I think plant medicine, be it LSD or psychedelics, allows us to actually not have the words for the situation, but to see it clearly. And that's when we start moving into a better place. And you can see moving out of the medical container and moving out of trauma, like you talk in your book, Triumph Over Trauma, isn't so much of – giving forgiveness to or letting go. It's just a matter of understanding the pattern in a way that we haven't seen it before. You know, it's like that reticular activating system. When you buy a new car, you see that car everywhere. You get a new shirt, everyone's wearing that shirt. Like I didn't see that shirt two days ago, but now I see it everywhere. It's the same thing with those things in your life. Once you begin to see these traumas, you're like, holy crap. You know, my dad got that belt out way too much. And you know what? I love it when I hurt people. Oh my God. Oh my God, what's wrong with me? No, what's wrong with your dad? What's wrong with my family? You know, it takes a while to start going, okay, just take a deep breath. Is that epigenetics? Is it in my genes? I'm not sure. But the fact that you're aware of it is a giant step in becoming a way better individual. are aware of these things that are happening to you, congratulations. It's not easy. It's never going to be easy, but like you're moving in the right path. You're moving on the right road. So I think we're, I think we're just beginning to get to the ideas of language that can help us, man. And I, I see it in the books, man. I see it in a lot of the work you're doing, like this unlifting the veil and beginning to see things or feel things in a way that has enough. What's your take on that? Do you think we're moving into a world that's a more, uh, I don't know, meaningful and purposeful? I mean, a lot harsher maybe, but more meaningful and purposeful? Wow. I have missed your question. I do think that especially plant medicines can lift that veil and make you see things. To me, I think I've told you this before, but one of my – Psychedelic experience is the biggest takeaway. And probably some people hearing this will say this sounds really stupid. But the biggest takeaway was I just this this word just hit me for the last, you know, again, hour of my journey perspective perspective. And I think that's part of what not just plant medicine, but healing is about is. is looking at things from multiple perspectives. So typically we are just so mono focused. This is my life. This is what's happened to me. Nothing else, you know, and when we can take a step back from our own egos and our own issues and see that there are other viewpoints, other perspectives. And so that, that I think is also what I've been trying to do in these books because yeah, Again, back to the food issue, people think that, well, yeah, that Big Mac is fine for me or that frozen pizza or whatever. And without realizing that we've been, I don't want to say brainwashed, but kind of brainwashed in that sense. And we do need to lift that veil. I think it is slowly lifting. I'm curious to see what happens over the next couple of months, you know, with RFK and what happened there. I'm just glad that health and healing is becoming more into the mainstream because we do need to wake some people up, whether it's about the trauma they lived or the, and we know food certain foods add to mental health problems. So we have both the trauma affecting mental health and we have our food that we're eating affecting mental health. And, you know, it's literally a ticking time bomb unless we do take these steps. And so I love when I talk to you because it, You know, I sometimes get down. No, because sometimes I get really down on it. It's like, you know, no one's listening. And why aren't we waking up? And, you know, there is another fast food company with record profits. It's like, whoa, no, no, no. That's not where we should be going. And I think that the other cool connection for me between psychedelics and food is, is the nature component that we are so disconnected from nature you know you ask kids you know where's where does spinach come from oh walmart or you know whatever well no there was a farm behind there somewhere uh and uh and same thing with adults too it we just are so disconnected from nature and so plant medicines bring us back there Food, healthy foods. You know, I'm a big proponent. I would love if everyone in the U.S. grew at least some of their own food. You know, even in apartments, you could have a little window or a little hydroponic system. And again, just realizing that, you know, just like us, you know, there's a seed that starts out small. It's struggling. It needs support. and then it grows into something and eventually we can harvest it and it goes into our bodies with these nutrients and it's just a wonderful cycle that also kind of reflects our cycle as humans and so yeah I I am hopeful but there are days where it's like I feel I'm in an echo chamber or in a or vacuum maybe is a better word where it's just nothing I say you know hey let's you know let's change our ways here or there and it's like No, I don't hear any response. Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. When I think of echo, I read a really cool koan yesterday or something along those lines that says, when you yell into a canyon and you hear an echo, Is that the sound of your own voice coming back to you? Or is that the sound that you're never alone? Or something like that. I could say it better, but it's a beautiful thing to think about perspective, back what you were saying. It's interesting to me. No, I love that. I've heard that saying. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much of it... Maybe this question is not as... Sometimes the question I ask myself is like, how much of this is by design? You know, it seems on some level, there's just so much momentum behind the factory farming. There's so much money behind the centralization. And, you know, you start reading these ideas of, you know, if you look at maybe like a like an authoritarian model where, okay, if we own the rights to production, then we can make sure that everybody has enough. But in order to do that, you have to exclude so many people. You have to get rid of so much stuff. You have to cut so many deals that your end result is not that great. Like, is this something that's just been ongoing or, you know, is this a problem we've been trying to fix since, you know, government started or what's your thoughts on centralization? Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, I, we could probably spend the rest of the podcast, but, but yeah, if we, you know, obviously people were, you know, looking at foods and diets and things like that over the years, but for the, in the U S especially, we can look at a timeline where the first big crack was, um, sugar industry, where the sugar industry is a small industry, small number of companies, but they are a massively powerful lobby. And they have, they have, you know, funded research. In fact, there's a famous one, the Harvard research one where they, where it came out oh, gee, there's no impact, no, you know, sugar has no health concerns funded by the sugar industry. I wonder how that happened. Yeah. But so we had so our downfall started, I think, accidentally, because in some ways, because, you know, yes, before in, in, in Culturally, we had the military industrial complex, and that's a whole another story. But in the fifties, President Eisenhower is sort of the maybe one of the tipping points of that got a heart attack while he was president. And heart disease was not that common back then. In fact, for the decades and decades and centuries before that we have records, it was a pretty minor health issue. Bigger health issues were communicable diseases, typhoid or flus and things like that. But so he had this heart attack and the country went crazy. How could this military leader, president, strong man have a heart? And one researcher who bullied his way through Ancel Keys determined that fat was what caused Eisenhower's heart disease. And so that became this rallying cry, we need to get rid of the fat in our diets. And the funny part is we look back at this research today, he did a couple of weird things. Again, it could be conspiracy. There's no evidence linking the sugar industry to this, but what he did was he took sugary foods like desserts pastries things like that as one category but then he put sugary beverages as a totally separate category and then he lumped all fat together margarine butter vegetable oils and so it's if you look at that just the the research is skewed in that way and it it favors sugar over over fat and so that became Our downfall in the sugar industry, of course, loved it, whether they were involved or not. They took that and they pushed that research. And that led to changes in dietary recommendations from the US government with the food pyramid, which is so wrong. Yeah, so wrong. and and you know they've revised that to the food plate and it's still wrong and we had all these myths that developed during this time and some of it's you know so yeah I you know we have I kind of walk on them in the middle of this line where people on this side say total conspiracy these systems were were in place to control us and manipulate us and break us in some ways, which we're seeing today. And the other hand, it's like, no, this, I mean, part of it started maybe innocently and based on wrong research. And so I kind of like, well, I think there's a little bit of both there because there's no, there's no question. I think you said this earlier. There's no question that profits dominate. And again, yes, it's a capitalistic society, so profits, but not to the degree of profits over the health, the livelihood, the longevity of people. And that's what it's become. We still sell low-fat, no-fat stuff today. And I don't understand it because we've disproved that in the About fifteen years ago, we had a definitive study that said there's no connection of saturated fat with heart disease. And yet today we still have this no fat, low fat stuff. And if you look at the ingredients of a full fat yogurt versus a no fat yogurt, the full fat yogurt, basically the only ingredient is dairy, is the enzymes. and then in a non-fat it's going to have of course the dairy but it's going to have several chemicals that might have a even a seed oil or something like that because you have to make up for the fat and so plain yogurt full fat yogurt has one ingredient and that non-fat yogurt probably has eight or ten ingredients and so we're just we just keep manipulating the food and back to your earlier question too the number one thing you can do also is just yeah just start eating real foods you know the actual ingredients eat an apple rather than apple juice or apple pie or some other some other element of that yeah it's interesting and I can't help but just think about how lucrative it must be for a company that's going to sell milk to be like, okay, let's sell this gallon of nonfat milk for the same price. And then we'll take all the fat out of that milk and sell some dairy whip over here. Now we're selling two products for the price of one. We're going to double our profits. And guess what? Nonfat's great for you. You can just see the... the sort of pigs at the trough you know what I mean like look at these guys like how dare you well that's that's the same thing with high fructose corn syrup yeah it was a byproduct yep uh and they're like whoa we can make more money by selling this byproduct that's you know and we've now discovered that high fructose corn syrup is probably the worst sugar out there you know it it dramatically affects our liver especially in the amount that we're consuming and uh leads to gut disp uh gut dysfunction and um uh but but companies love it he's like yeah and it's probably and because corn is also subsidized so it's a triple it's now so the product is cheap they can make ethanol and other things out of it. And then the byproduct, they can sell the high fructose corn syrup. And so, yeah, it's a win, win, win for these companies and, and we pay the price. Yeah. It's interesting. Like, how long can that go I guess we're in this in this sort of lab experiment where like okay how long can we just care about profits like like how long can it go well I guess it can go as long as until the rats die I guess it can go that long you know like that's apparent that's like seems to be what's happening like yeah this is a this is all great for us but yeah the rats are looking kind of dead and fat and dying over there Well, it's still easier. At what point in time does it not become easier? I mean, are we seeing that now? Do you really want to have the castle and look out and just see a wasteland? I don't understand how the people at the very top... cannot care at all at all like I think people I think and this is a bold statement probably gonna be wrong people probably get mad at me for saying this but I think if you're at a fortune company and you're a ceo you hate people on some level you do not care about people or humanity you care about profits and maybe that's written into the charter maybe that's written into I must make money for the shareholders but I think a lot of these people are They may not pay the price for it, but their kids will. And I don't think they see that yet. You may get out making tons of money, but your kid is part of this giant experiment and you're making the world worse. I don't understand why people aren't willing to stand up and fight and maybe give up some of these things that walk away from this corporate job where you're hurting people. They won't do it, Randall. People won't do it. They won't walk away. I know. And to that point, I won't name the company or the CEO, but CEO of one of the cereal companies, which they shouldn't exist, period, because all the sugar in those. But anyway, someone asked him a question about food insecurity, which is, again, something that we should not have in a country that is as rich, quote unquote, as we are in this country. And so someone asked him, well, you know, what can your company do about food insecurity? And he basically said, well, our cereal is so cheap, they should just eat corn flakes for dinner. And it's like, whoa, it's like, oh, are you eating corn flakes for dinner? You know? And so, yeah, I think there's this hubris. I think there's maybe a, yeah, maybe there is either a self-hatred or a hatred for people, but, or like you said, I mean, it's definitely written into the compact of these companies because, you know, short-term, everything is, you know, as long as we make the quarterly profit, quarterly share prices, all these things. And I don't know what the end result is, but I think there needs to be a balance with profits and ethical, ethical decision-making that, yeah, you can still make, I mean, look at all these, like in my, my, you know, I live in a kind of a rural area and there are a lot of farms here. And I love supporting them that are growing things the right way. And they do have a love for people and a love for food and love for the soil. And that's the way it should be. They can make money. I don't mind if they charge me a little more for our locally grown cucumber or tomato because they're doing it ethically. They're doing it the right way versus, you know, a tomato you buy at the grocery store that's been gassed and maybe shipped from South America or wherever and tastes like nothing because it's been a, you know, the, the other thing that we've done with our, so much of our produce is we have manipulated the seeds so much that we get that perfect tomato or that perfect apple or that perfect, you know, whatever, because consumers, you know, do I want to buy an ugly tomato? No, I want to buy that perfect tomato. And then I tasted it. It tastes like cardboard because all they've cared about is the appearance. So yeah, I think I would love to see a system, and it maybe has to be grassroots. One of my guys was like, we need a new tea party. Boston Tea Party? Revolutionary War. Yeah, Boston Tea Party. We need another Boston Tea Party, but with food. And I love that idea. I told Jenny that I was like, yeah, let's organize a group of people to go in front of Safeway and start burning the crappy foods. And she's like, no, I don't want to get arrested today. But I think we need something like that. We need to get some more awareness that get media coverage beyond to say, to wake up people to say, you have to demand it. you know, once you're awakened, and you see, once people start looking at ingredients labels alone, that is eye opening. And you see three sugars listed and five things you don't you can't even pronounce let alone know what they do. And so it will take I think, a ground swelling of individuals saying enough is enough. Yeah, you can make your profits, but you don't have to be killing us in the process. Yeah, it's so interesting to think about it because we see it not only in diet, but we see it in pharmaceuticals as well. This sort of corruption in this tacit agreements between large corporations and the FDA, whether it's through food or through medicine, like, hey, do we really got to trial this thing? Can I show you my company science over here? Look, these guys are from Harvard. And yes, they work for my company. And yes, they make a million dollars each. And yes, they have all these tacit agreements. And it's just like, listen, if you can pass this thing, you get a job working with these guys later in life. And it's so transparent now. And I don't know, maybe... And it's easy for me to sit behind a microphone and say, why won't people do more? Because it's easy to talk about things, but until you start living it and you start really making sacrifices in your life, you realize how hard it is. I try my best to have made those sacrifices myself. I left a Fortune five hundred company. I'm not going to be treated like a piece of garbage. I'm not going to be treated like a number. And it's really, really hard to go through life without maybe that cushy insurance plan that you have. You know, it's really difficult to walk away from something and take a stand when you're going to lose everything. And I know it's not easy, but I hope people choose to do it. But another route that we're talking about, like, you know, And the reason why I think people at the very top should begin trying to change is like, look what happened to this UnitedHealth CEO, right? Like this guy was just walking down the street. I really think if things don't begin to change, if the corruption in our society is not allowed to be transformed, then the people are going to start standing up in ways that are – if my voice isn't heard, then violence will be heard. It's unfortunate, but that's what happens. Violence is a form of speech the same way money is a form of speech. And if you're not going to listen to the voices, then there's going to be uprisings all around. Is that too crazy to think about or do you think that's happening right now? You know, George, when I saw that story, you know, a couple of days ago, you know, I had similar thoughts. I mean, it's sad that you and I both had those, you know, it's like, wow, we live in a world where this is possibly a form of speech, as you said. Yeah. And, you know, I did a research about a month ago on healthcare CEOs because I think healthcare the healthcare system is one of the most broken systems we have along with the pharmaceutical and, you know, they're tied together, but, and that the five top CEOs of healthcare, you know, just tens of millions of dollars in salary and bonuses. And so you have these people leading this lavish lives at the top. And then you have the people that, can't even afford to go to a doctor or got rejected from their healthcare for pre-existing condition or whatever it might be. And I don't know anyone, and maybe I haven't been talking to the right people, but I don't know anyone who says, I love my healthcare plan. I haven't heard anyone ever say that to me. And part of that is again, this focus of it's not preventive care, it's reactive care. And it's not, what can I do to help you improve your life? What can I give you now to get rid of that symptom that's bothering you? And then we only have ten minutes because, you know, insurance says, you know, we got to pack in. you know, double the appointments per day for each doctor. And it's, yeah, it's just a ridiculous system. And then, you know, we Yeah, we could go on and on about pharmaceutical companies and the revolving doors, the FDA, which again, may hopefully change in a couple months. So many, you know, I think, again, think about psychedelics, and I think about MDMA, and how livid I was with that decision. because of the decades of work that maps lycos went into that ricab on himself his his personal sacrifices and yet some billion-dollar drug company can say oh we tested this for four weeks and it looks good and people have to use it for the rest of their lives, but we're not going to test for that because we don't have time to do a long-term study. And the FDA says, approve, approve. So yeah, I mean, it is. And we have to, I guess maybe back to your earlier point, we have to help people see that veil and say, hey, let me pull that down and look a little closer. And then I will make some changes. Because if that veil is too gauzy and they don't see it, then they're just going to live their lives complaining. But I do worry that complaining, that anger builds up and builds up and builds up. And there is going to be some eruption of some sort, whether that's words, violence, whatever it might be. And again, the food is making us sicker, so it's bringing us closer to that edge of anger. So yeah, I mean, it's like this crazy spiral of something. You're the wordsmith, you tell me. It's just, it is. It's these interwoven systems that are working together again you can you can say how closely they're working together depending on how much of a conspiracist you are but there is no question these things are all locked in together you know our foods make us sick so we take a pill yeah uh you know the and the doctors are more than willing to do that and and we watch tv and we see oh here's a new you know a new drug, you know, Shushata or whatever. And Oh, you know, what disease is that for? Oh, maybe I have that disease. Maybe I need this drug because people are dancing and singing and playing guitar. And I can never do that before. You know, it's like, what? And so, yeah, I think, I think we need to find a way to pull the veil. And I think one of those ways is definitely healing journey because the healing journey forces you to say what is beyond that veil for myself and then beyond to the outer world. yeah I love it it's um it's sort of like a diet of the mind you know you've been writing all this stuff about what your what your diet is and what you're consuming but so much that pertains to the inner dialogue as well right when you're oh yeah and we've spoken about like I'm I got to take a different route home the car turns itself like all this language that we use is and here's another thing I just come into mind like the same way you described that the illusion of a beautiful tomato, so too do we see the illusions of ourselves online. It's like we've slipped from – it's everywhere. Like once you – like I said, once you become aware of it, you see it everywhere. It's this illusion of everything being okay when nothing is okay. And to me, the fact that I can see it, like some – Truck driver turned podcast. The fact that I can see it means that everybody should be able to see it. It's right there. It's the curtain being pulled back. It's not a wizard. It's some guy back there pulling handles. And we can fix it. And it's being fixed. And that's the message that I want to get out is like, hey, everybody, we're all in this together, number one. Yeah. If we don't fix this together, it's going to get fixed, not from the top down, but from the bottom up. And that is messy. That is the Boston Tea Party. That is people being blasted on New York sidewalks, like CEOs. I can't imagine the amount of stress that management people are under in order to hit quotas. That's not living a life either, being fearful of not being able to live a life because you need to treat people like numbers. Yeah. But I think everybody's collectively seeing it together on some level. And my hope is that people will withdraw from that system. Instead of doing things right, they're going to start doing the right thing. I think that is a step in the right direction. Is that too Pollyanna for you? No, no. I think I told her this story, but when I was on a road trip a couple of years ago, I visited a good friend of mine and we hadn't been as touched personally, but with friends on Facebook and all that. And her life seemed like this dream on Facebook, traveling to Europe and all these things, job going super well and beautiful kids, perfect kids. And then I met up with her. And as soon as I saw her, her face was drawn and I went, whoa, this isn't the face I see on Facebook. And she said, and almost immediately, the first thing out of her mouth besides after hello was, I'm getting a divorce. My husband's abusive. And I was like, this is the problem we have today. that's causing so many other problems. We have this comparison syndrome and social media has made it so much worse because I'm not saying we need to put on, oh, I had to amputate my foot because of diabetes or something like that. But I think if we're only putting out some fake version of our true selves, that we want the world to see, A, it's not being truthful to ourselves. You know, it's continuing this lie that we're okay. But it's also forcing all these people in your network to see this to say, well, you know, oh, wow, look at this perfect life. I mean, my life is perfect. falling apart you know my yeah my spouse is leaving me or or whatever and so uh or I'm not as smart as that I'm not as funny as that I'm not as witty as that and so I would love if and I know it's not possible because it's you know part of human nature but I would love if everyone just or we designated like one day a month just to say uh today we're all going to be real here's the crap that's really happening in my life. Because I think when we share, I mean, I think the idea is, well, if we share the positivity, you know, everyone, you know, we're all happy. But I think when we share our doubts, our fears, our scares, it allows the community, back to what you were saying earlier, to come forth and help us Yeah. And support us. I mean, this is what I love about community is that when we are struggling, if we're being honest, then, you know, rather than community patting us on the back and say, oh, nice job and, you know, whatever, they can say, how can I help you? What can I do to get you through this? And I think that's... the part also that we're missing we're we're too we think we're connected to so many people because we have you know five thousand followers or five thousand friends and then we sit alone in our dark office online you know no we're not talking you know we're not connecting with people that way we're we're just putting out messages we're not saying you know sitting around like like we did earlier before we started the podcast just saying you know how the heck are you and what's going on and So now I don't even know how we got to this point, but this is what you do in these podcasts, conversations we absolutely love. We go down these holes and I think, what was the original question again? You know, for me, like it's, and maybe for everybody, it's hard to come on here and be like, my life is in shambles. You know, I feel like I'm losing everything and here I am talking about it. Like, you know, we're told as a young person, no one wants to hear you complain about things. No one wants to hear your pain to shut up and deal with it. Like, aren't you, why don't you take responsibility for yourself and become something better? You know, you're not working hard enough, but that to me just seems like a great way for, you know, to, I don't know, like, I think so many more people are going through so many more struggles. Like it's, it's really hard, man. And Maybe that's not good content. I don't know. But maybe the only way to really help each other is just to be honest and be like, this sucks right now. What can we do? But I think everybody's feeling it on some level. Yeah. Probably about a year ago, people started talking especially about this sort of existential dread, that sort of hangover thing. uh darkness a heaviness you know and I think that is this churning of the changes we're trying to make this yeah and and but we're but this weight is pushing down because like we talked about earlier this these systems are powerful and they they don't want to be broken at all because that's where the money is that's where the success is all the glory the ego And so I think we are at this weird convergence where we're pushing up saying we need changes. We, you know, something has to break and they're trying to hold firm and it just gets this, this dreaded time. Then I think we just have to be honest and say, Hey, I feel that, and I don't like it. And you know, what can I personally do about it? And I think that, again, we have to just focus on ourselves. What can I do about it? Well, I can, again, I can take a step today. I can. start thinking about what changes I can do personally or or maybe someone else I can support who's in worse shape than I am and and that's just it it's just not only thinking about ourselves, which is important to do, because I think, like you said, I think a lot of times I grew up in a household, same thing, sweep everything under the rug. Yeah. Don't let them, don't let the neighbors know that happened. Oh no. You know, we got, it's always like, that was the old school social media, you know, don't let the neighbors know because we have to have a free face. Everything's perfect in this house. Yeah. And so I think we have to break that first, break our upbringing. You know, I see, um, been doing this reading about abuse and it's, it's so hard in almost any household, but this commonality that either the person feels like the family won't believe them if they bring up that they'd been abused or that they believe the perpetrator who says, I will kill you or your family if you tell, or they believe they somehow brought it upon themselves. And I just wish others, and as we talked about earlier, and of course, I know that cycle of abuse goes back and back and back because probably that perpetrator was abused. But I just wish there was some way we could tell all children, like, A, it's not your fault, and B, if your parents don't believe you, find somebody else, an aunt, an uncle, a teacher, somebody, because these things just spiral down to addiction and suicide and so many other things that don't need to be, but are, because we are still so broken. We haven't found a way to break those generational cycles. I think we haven't talked in a while, but one of the things I did this year was really do some integration with my dad because it had been on my mind when I was writing this third book. And I maybe for the first time in my life had some compassion for him because I started looking back at his mother and and the relationship he had with her. And I don't know how it was as a child, but as an adult, they went at it. I mean, they went at it like cats and dogs sometimes just arguing, screaming at each other. And I was like, okay, well, I now have compassion for my dad because I see he probably had that growing up. And so he just, that was the skill he learned. Well, to be the parent, you got to scream and you got to get the belt out and you got to, And it's like, no, you got to break that cycle, you have to find a way to do that. And I guess I'm lucky, I feel like I've, I've finally done that. I, but it takes work to do that. And it takes understanding that it doesn't have to be that way. You know, we don't have to be as our parents were, or whatever family members or foster care or however we were raised, we can We can fight that, but it's gonna take work to do that because it's been ingrained in our system, ingrained in our soul. Yeah. It's sort of like, you know, when I think back to some things in my life and some maybe unresolved anger that I have, it's like the longer you carry that anger, it just becomes like tempered steel in a way. Do you know what I mean by that? Like it just becomes sharper and you can wield it in a way. And then you start feeling like, man, I kind of like this thing. I'm never going to apologize to them. Or you know what? I'm never going to forgive those people, man. They don't deserve it. And you know what? I'm not going to let my kids see them. How about that? I wonder how that feels for them. You know what? I hope they understand how they have to live with these choices they made that hurt me. I hope they understand that I see what they did. They let this abuser abuse me, and then they held a guilt trip over them for twenty, thirty years. And they got stuff out of it, but not me. On one level, it's so exhausting. But on the other level, it's like, what do you do with that? What do you do with these sort of betrayals that happen to you that you're not willing to give up? I'm like, how do you move through that? Well, I see the outcome of that. I see the outcome everywhere. I mean, we are... kind of an angry people right now. I mean, we, and it does take a lot of effort. You're right. I mean, to hold that grudge or to hold that, you're expending energy that you could be using to love, to nurture, but I don't know. Sometimes that negative stuff takes precedent. I'm not sure, again, maybe that's something weird about our human nature that we need to discover, but I do. I see that outcome, you know, whether it's, You know, people driving. I just saw this post that I was a volunteer firefighter, so I like to follow my volunteer fire department here in town. And they just reported that two people passed their fire truck honking at them. while the fire truck had sirens and lights on because they were going to an accident scene and the fire department chief was like what is going on with people and I think it is what you're talking about george that we it it it becomes a weapon that we kind of like it feels comfortable it feels It makes us sometimes maybe feel even a little better about ourselves when we can do that to that other person. Ah, see, I'm superior. I got them. And again, that's just that cycle of abuse. And not to sound like a broken record, but I think it just takes work that a lot of us aren't willing to do. I mean, I... my healing journey started accidentally you know I just bought a piece of land that I thought was healthy it turned out was not healthy at all and so I spent like you know six seventy years in the forest by myself working and you know it it was amazing because deer came up to me and turkeys and all these things but but the the I didn't plan it to be a healing journey, but it allowed me to work out so many demons, whether it was cutting down a tree like, I'm going to do this, and screaming at myself, or screaming at the people that did things to me. And I don't know, I didn't need seven years probably to do that, but it was a pretty massive transformation if you looked at me at the beginning of that time. as someone who had a lot of self-loathing and bitterness and anger and frustration to the end of that journey where, you know, circling back to the beginning of this podcast where you said to meeting Jenny, who has been this light in my life. And I definitely would have never thought I was worthy of her before because of my trauma. and uh that healing journey got me there but it takes a lot of work and it takes time and some of us you know again a lot of us are working sometimes one two three jobs and just to support our family or ourselves and now you're saying take you know hours out of your day or weekends or Where do I find the time to do this reflection, or whether it's just a pure reflection and meditation, or whether it's a psychedelic experience, whatever it is, or even finding the time to say, like someone said to me, I don't have time to read ingredients labels. Are you kidding me? I hate going grocery shopping. I just want to be in and out in five minutes, grab the stuff I know I always buy. and so I, I, and that comes back to the convenience thing even. So we're kind of wrapping all this in a big, in a big bow, but convenience allows us not to deal with these issues. And I, I just, again, I guess my encouragement would be for people. We don't like to sit in our discomfort. We don't like to sit in our anger. We want to have action. We want to do something with our anger. You know, um, we, uh, we got a punching bag here in our home because after some trauma we had last year both Jenny and I had anger we couldn't release and it's like we got this punching bag and for weeks we were pounding that thing like just getting it out and then finally taking the time to sit with that and say what was causing all this? How do we process it? How do we deal with it? How do we move forward with it? Now that punching bag hasn't been touched in four months. It's got dust on it. To me, that's a good sign. That's a sign that we're making progress, that we're moving forward with that. It's a commitment. That's a hard thing for so many of us that have lives, have kids, have all sorts of obligations and, you know, dealing with sick parents and dealing with all these things. How, how do we, how do we find the time for that? And, um, but that, that I think is, you just have to make that commitment to do that. Um, because otherwise it will turn into something that may ruin your life. You know, if they ever catch this guy that shot that CEO, you know, he, his life is, is done, uh, in terms of prison or whatever, whatever happens with him. And did he solve anything from that action? I mean, again, maybe awareness if it, but I've seen both sides of it. I've seen, you know, people just lashing out saying, you know, this is, this is, you know, this is horrible. This should never happen. And others saying, you know, oh, this is the beginning of the revolution kind of thing. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's just a weird time. Yeah, I think it could go either way. You know, it's, if we look at, I recently, there's a writer called, I'm going to butcher his name. I don't have the book in front of me. It's Young Chul Han. He's like this philosopher, Korean philosopher, I believe. And his newest book is called The Death of the Narrative. And he talks about how we've moved from storytelling into story selling in that, you know, yeah, it's really, he just goes in depth and it just blows my mind to think about the way narratives, you know, tell a culture which way they're headed. And for so long, the storytelling has been hijacked in a way, you know, whether it's And it's mostly about division. It's mostly man versus woman, gay versus straight, black versus white, yellow versus red, whatever. It always seems to be a story about division. And if you can just pan back a little bit and be like, oh, this is a story that the people that are telling want us to believe. And you start thinking about, okay, it's just a story. Well, what's the real story? Then you can kind of start weaving your own story. But this thing that happened with this insurance exact, this thing has potential to really become a defining narrative of our time. Like this is sort of the new, you know, Bernie gets maybe in a way, and I don't know what's right or wrong. I'm not a judge or a jury, but there is lots of stories you could tell about a man whose wife was not allowed to have insurance because of a guy like this. And I'll tell you what, a country could get behind that. And that could be a Boston tea party moment, you know? And I, I think a lot of people in positions of authority should be very afraid. Like a lot of people in government should be very afraid. Like, hey, the people are starting to get, you know, the rats in the tank over here starting to act up a little bit, man. Have we got medicine for that? Like what's going on? But I think it comes back to stories. And if we pan back a little bit more, what story are you telling yourself about where you're at, you know, and maybe there's some truth to that story, but yeah, the power of the narrative, whether it's in trauma, whether it's in our diet or whether it's in the life we leave, like that story. is something that you as an individual, you get to be the narrator. You get to be the person. You get to be the author of that story. And once you take that story back, don't let anybody hold the pen. You hold the pen. You write down what you want to write down. And who cares if people believe it? Go out there and you write that story every day. Don't worry if it sounds good to other people. Don't worry if you may have made some mistakes in spelling along the way. Like, oh, well, just continue to write that story and be the best character that you can in that story. Think of a person that's a million times better than you and then be that guy or be that girl. The narrative is so important, right? No matter what we're doing in life. What do you think? well and you just just to go one step aside for a second you you just hit on something that every once in a while you should definitely be my publicist you just hit on something really brilliant that I hadn't really thought about but there are you know we have been given so many false narratives yeah And I guess that's one of the goals with these books of mine. Like I thought when I wrote triumph over trauma, I mean, when I started looking at the truth behind the stories we've been told, like, you know, I grew up seeing the Friday stupid commercial, your brain on drugs or the, I remember, or the guy on the roof with PCP, he was going to jump off the roof because he thought he could fly and, you know, and all this war on drugs and all this stuff, all this propaganda. And then when I started looking at the, the, the truth behind, behind that veil, behind that narrative, it's like, no, there's a whole truth here that no one or very few people know about. And I thought psychedelics and plant medicine lies were bad until I got to the food part. And then I thought these lies were even worse because yes, with psychedelics, we're limiting people from maybe having some truly freeing experiences and healing. But with food, with these lies, we're literally killing people. And so I guess that is one of the premise behind all behind my books is I just want as close to the truth. And yes, I know I will have my own perceptual biases as we all do. But my goal is just to say, you know, let's just, let's just back away from this narrative of that butter is bad for you or that eggs and cholesterol are dangerous for you. And let's just step back and see what's behind that. What caused that? And was it, and, and, and how do we break that narrative? But I think, yeah, I think so. One part is there's a broader narrative that's been fed to us. that we have to probably take responsibility and say what part of that is actually true and fight that. But then the other part of that, which I love, is yeah, we are the creators of our own story. And yes, there are a lot of other characters that interfere or interact with us, but it's our story to tell. It's our story to live. It's our chance to make the ending that we want. We maybe didn't have the beginning we wanted. Maybe we didn't have the middle that we wanted, but wherever we are today, we can take control of that story rather than letting the story just go on as us as a character in it. I love that idea. Yeah, me too. It speaks volumes of where we are and what we can do and the fact that You know, history is two words. It's his story. You know what I mean? So change your story if you don't like his story. Just change your story and make it better. Man. Dr. Randall, I love talking to you, man. You've been really generous with your time. And you know what? It's so close to the holiday season. I think a perfect gift for everybody would be the trilogy. I hope they go down in the show notes. I hope they pick up the trilogy. Hold it up so people can see it. Let's get a better look at that. For those of you that are watching, get a look at this book right here. A little higher. There we go. The Healing Revolution Diet, packed with real-time information. Tell us inside, is there links to the website and links to the stuff that you are actually citing in there? Maybe tell us a little bit more about the book. Yeah. Yeah. So, so the book has a sort of follows my typical thing where I talk about the, the myths and the, and the, and I do have frequently asked questions about nutrition and diet and food. And then I just do a, I just look at a timeline from how agriculture, how agriculture has changed, how raising animals have changed, how food production has changed. One of the things we didn't talk about here is a great crazy narrative is in the nineteen eighties, the tobacco companies were worried about the future of cigarettes and tobacco, and so they bought food companies. RGR bought Nabisco, Philip Morris bought Kraft. And with that, they brought their little evil scientist and We have research that shows that this thing called the bliss point, that they transform food in such a way that it would be almost irresistible not to eat just one bite. And so you I was talking to someone yesterday who said, I buy ice cream. I eat the whole pint. I can't stop at one thing. And then someone else talks about the joke about the Lay's potato chips. You can't eat just one or whatever. And it's true. They've made it that way. So the book outlines all that stuff. And then I talk about the research behind the... as close as I can get on the truth about the research behind food and what's, what the right macro nutrients are. And again, my philosophy is, as we talked about it is you have to find the diet that's right for you. That fits your brain, your gut and your, and your, and your, um, mind or your body sorry and then it has these stories of uh people that have been on a healing food journey a nutrition journey and also oftentimes tied with a healing journey and some of them also did plant medicine so it's kind of a neat theme through all my books and then I also have a a bunch of nutritionists that and natural paths that submitted their best nutrition tips and then yeah in the back I have all the resources I have I have the articles I have other books and other books if you want to delve more into metabolic syndrome then I have you know metabolical by dr robert lustig who's probably one of my favorite uh favorite doctors and then uh then other resources other documentaries uh that report on these issues like food inc which is one of the first ones that really broke the ground and said hey you really need to be paying attention to what you're eating and so it's just yeah so all three books if they were going to buy the whole trilogy yeah they all have they all have they all have stories they all have input from other experts and they all have citations and references, whether it's websites, books, documentaries. So you can delve as deeply as you want to any of these subjects. And again, my goal is just, I want people to be reconnected with themselves and ideally reconnected with the world. And for me, the world also means being reconnected to nature. And so that's the goal, my hope. Yeah, well, I think you're doing a tremendous job. What about, is there a condensed website? Does each book have its own website or do you have a website where everybody can reach them? Yes, I... again because maybe I wasn't planning the trilogy so each book has his own website but if they go to my main website which is randallshansen.com they can find the links to all three books but the if they wanted just a healing revolution diet it is healingrevolutiondiet.com and I post articles they don't have to buy the books necessarily I I post a lot of articles related to the subject sometimes they're an expert from the book because again my belief is I just you know yes I would love to see one of my goals with this new book I probably I'll put it out there because affirmations you know have some power especially if you release them out there yeah so one of my goal with this book especially is I'm a big believer in local farms buying local as much as possible uh there's a great book by dr josh axe that says something like eat dirt and the idea is there are mac there are nutrients in our soil and it's best to eat soil from our own environment rather than eating soil from south america or wherever and so one of my goals with this book is I would love to see enough copies sell that we could do some mini grants to local farmers and ranchers, especially younger ones, because we're seeing the average age of farmers in the US is something like. Fifty eight or sixty, and so it's a generation that's, you know, kind of ready to retire or wanting to retire, maybe wanting to retire years ago and they're still doing it. And so I have a. A woman down the road that I get my egg from and she and her husband probably in the thirties and have this fledging farm at chickens and pigs and some cows, dairy cows. And I would love to be able to, from this book sale, say, okay, here's a ten thousand dollar grant. Oh, you need a new barn or you need this. Well, here's a ten thousand dollars, no strings attached, just do it. And to encourage young people. So I have this, on one hand, I'd love to see the book sell, but on the other hand, I also want people to have access to this information. So I walked this line. I keep publishing articles on these things because I want people to be able to have free access to it. But if they have the resources to be able to buy the books and support this mission, I would love that as well. Yeah. Well, ladies and gentlemen, go down to the show notes. Check out the articles if you can. If you're interested, check out the books. They're all great reading. They've got a lot of great resources in there. And that's what we've got for today. Dr. Reynolds, it's such a pleasure to always be with you. It's been far too long. Let's not let it go by that long again. I hope you have a beautiful day. Hang on briefly afterwards. I'll tell everybody else. Thank you so much. Have a beautiful day. Thank you, everybody. All right. Aloha.